Memphis Public Library and Information Center- Closings & Comments
Cost-cutting also hits 4 community centers; more 'hard decisions' ahead
By Amos Maki (Contact)
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Memphis will close five libraries and four community centers July 1 in an effort to make the organizations more efficient and keep a planned property-tax hike lower, Memphis Mayor Willie Herenton told the City Council on Tuesday.
Herenton said the closings will save $1.5 million to $2 million a year and are part of an overall "repositioningof city assets" that will require more "hard decisions" by the council.
Closing July 1.
Libraries
Cossitt, 33 S. Front
Gaston, 1040 S. Third
Highland, 460 S. Highland
Levi, 3676 U.S. 61
Poplar-White Station, 5094 Poplar
Community centers
Bethel-Labelle, 2698 Larose
Greenlaw, 190 Mill
Hamilton, 1363 E. Person
Simon/Boyd-Magnolia, 2130 Wabash
Herenton also forcefully defended his handling of the Public Library and Information Center, including his decision to not reappoint longtime director Judith Drescher.
"No individual owns the library system," said Herenton. "It is the city's library system."
Herenton said he was "embarrassed" by the condition of some library branches -- the Downtown Cossitt branch, in particular -- and that they needed to be closed.
"What we had at the library system was a culture of excellence centered around the (Benjamin L. Hooks Central Library at 3030 Poplar)," said Herenton. "With some of the other libraries, it was neglect."
Herenton also criticized the lack of diversity in library management under Drescher.
"They all look alike," said Herenton. "They had no respect for diversity."
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was equitable, with rich and poor alike losing out -- "some of these libraries are in the ghetto and some are on Poplar" -- and that the city would study how to use the buildings for other purposes.
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was the result of a $600,000 efficiency study he presented to council members last April.
The study said the city could save up to $19 million by implementing a number of cost-cutting measures, including closing underused community centers and libraries and redeploying police and firefighters.
Even after the libraries and community centers are shuttered, Herenton said citizens should be prepared for a property tax hike.
"I think it is inevitable that the administration will propose a property-tax increase," he said.
Contact reporter Amos Maki at 529-2351.
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City to shut down five libraries
Cost-cutting also hits 4 community centers; more 'hard decisions' ahead
By Amos Maki (Contact)
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Memphis will close five libraries and four community centers July 1 in an effort to make the organizations more efficient and keep a planned property-tax hike lower, Memphis Mayor Willie Herenton told the City Council on Tuesday.
Herenton said the closings will save $1.5 million to $2 million a year and are part of an overall "repositioningof city assets" that will require more "hard decisions" by the council.
Herenton also forcefully defended his handling of the Public Library and Information Center, including his decision to not reappoint longtime director Judith Drescher.
"No individual owns the library system," said Herenton. "It is the city's library system."
Herenton said he was "embarrassed" by the condition of some library branches -- the Downtown Cossitt branch, in particular -- and that they needed to be closed.
"What we had at the library system was a culture of excellence centered around the (Benjamin L. Hooks Central Library at 3030 Poplar)," said Herenton. "With some of the other libraries, it was neglect."
Herenton also criticized the lack of diversity in library management under Drescher.
"They all look alike," said Herenton. "They had no respect for diversity."
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was equitable, with rich and poor alike losing out -- "some of these libraries are in the ghetto and some are on Poplar" -- and that the city would study how to use the buildings for other purposes.
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was the result of a $600,000 efficiency study he presented to council members last April.
The study said the city could save up to $19 million by implementing a number of cost-cutting measures, including closing underused community centers and libraries and redeploying police and firefighters.
Even after the libraries and community centers are shuttered, Herenton said citizens should be prepared for a property tax hike.
"I think it is inevitable that the administration will propose a property-tax increase," he said.
Contact reporter Amos Maki at 529-2351.
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Posted by stevejoe on March 19, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"What we had at the library system was a culture of excellence centered around the (Benjamin L. Hooks Central Library at 3030 Poplar)," said Herenton.
Did WW really say that after he fired Judith Drescher? He recognizes the "culture of excellence" she built, after he terminated her?
Did he really say "They all look alike?" referring to some lack of diversity?
What a national embarassment this vile man is. He is building himself some legacy.
Posted by djlmemphis on March 19, 2008 at 12:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton probably has someone interested in the Poplar Library location and is lumping all the real estate together so he can sell it and ..... you can guess the rest.
Posted by DJB71 on March 19, 2008 at 2:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am heartbroken to read this news. I am presently in graduate school in another city, and do not think I would have graduated from a top high school, private college and poised myself to pursue an advanced degree were it not for my early access to libraries. The Highland Library is walking distance from the elementary school I attended, and the White Station branch is walking distance from my high school. The previously relocated 'Main' branch (closed, razed and relocated to Poplar Avenue) was walking distance from the house where I grew up.
I was fortunate and had parents who were willing and able to drive me to any source of enlightenment required for my development, but not all youngsters have parents with this ability. Something must be done to keep the libraries on this list (and others that could face a similar fate) open and in service to the learners of all ages in the Memphis community.
Contributions of time and money from those who want to see the facilities remain open should not only be made, but should be matched by elected official and city employees who earn 6 figures. I am certain that they, too, can credit access to libraries for their life and carer success and should not turn a blind eye on those who wish to have similar access and success.
Posted by k9pad on March 19, 2008 at 3:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My experience with the Poplar- White Station and Highland libraries has been great. The staff at each library has been helpful at all times and i appreciate the ease and quickness of getting in and out of these branches. The mayor's comments about why he is closing these branches could only come from a demogogic politician with great skill at avoiding the truth.
Posted by anneb2 on March 19, 2008 at 3:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Poplar-White Station is a fine library with knowledgeable personnel who are eager to assist in any endeavor. This Library should never be closed.
IF Highland and Poplar-White Station are closed, this leaves a big section of Memphis without the opportunity to read, study and learn.
Education and Libraries are of equal value.
The Mayor needs to rethink his priorities.
Posted by blipintime on March 19, 2008 at 5:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenten's/Wharten's attack on literacy continues.
What in the world are they thinking? In a city with one of the highest number of dropouts, they continue to attack one institution that can offer some hope to people without access to reading and information?
I was amazed when I saw the headline. I thought it was some kind of sick joke when I first saw the headline.
His comments about "excellence at one library" and "they all look alike" are beyond contempt. Herenton has apparently lost it, or like another writer noted, probably sees the chance to help some of his buddies out.
It is time for residents to rise up and defend our Libraries!
Posted by waggener69 on March 19, 2008 at 5:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
blipintime- Has an idea who's time has come. To defend our libraries is what we must do.
Posted by Molliemole on March 19, 2008 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope that there is such an outcry about Mayor Herenton's stupid, stupid decision to close libraries (libraries, of all things!) in a city where there is high illiteracy, poor educational facilities, and a high dropout rate in the schools, that he is forced to backtrack. But he's not one to ever admit a mistake, as we know, so I don't have really much hope. I can't believe that someone who used to be a school superintendent would ever choose to close libraries. It just boggles my mind.
Posted by COR415 on March 19, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The "king" can not fix anything. The only way he can save money to give raises to his high paid "Staff" is the cut the things that will raise the education of the youth of the city, so they do not know what he is really doing to them. Kings do not rule if the people are educated and understand what is being done to them by the "leaders".
Posted by ekit60 on March 19, 2008 at 7:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mama always said "STUPID IS, WHAT STUPID DOES"
Posted by ten_a_c_girl on March 19, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My heart is broken. We cannot let this happen! Somebody please tell me what we can do?
Posted by happyshamrock on March 19, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah - what Memphis needs is less libraries. Whatever!
Posted by jaker0826 on March 19, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ya'll are forgetting that Willie is KING...and king's can do whatever they please...even if it is to destroy the very city he rules over. Closing community centers puts more kids on the street with nothing to do. That sure makes a lot of sense when teen crime is at an all time high in Memphis.
Posted by tjwillmsn on March 19, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I see that everyone is falling for the bait and switch yet again.
Herenton is threatening to close firehouses and libraries, and when there is a massive outcry from the community, the mayor proposes even higher taxes to placate the community (to maintain the level services they choose to accept) and also to keep the tax revenue coming in.
And, for the record, did anyone ever contemplate that the information age is changing the necessity of libraries? A brick and mortar library is becoming a niche informational source. I've not graced one since I left college - when the informational highway was taking off. Only the older sources and requirements of professors are there.
Posted by sunshinesusie on March 19, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I would like to speak to what the mayor says is a lack of diversity in management at the library. Two of the regional managers are black. Three of the branches that are closing are managed by lovely, dedicated and hard working African American women. I do not think it is a lack of diversity that is bothering the mayor. He will not stop until all of the management positions are held by his cronies who know nothing about running a library. As a former employee, I am saddened by the changes that have taken place over the last few months. The Memphis Public Library is now without some wonderful leaders who helped get the award that the mayor was happy to send his new director to retrieve. I only hope that this situation isn't going to get worse.
Posted by jbseymour on March 19, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tjwillmsn, how nice that you have the luxury of not gracing libraries. Many of your fellow residents do not share that option, and they are those most in need of the services that a library (and community center) provides. The gap between information haves and have nots is very real.
Further, another unshared luxury is that of private transportation; closing these units when gas is $3.15 a gallon and rising is despicable.
We know the new PL director and deputy director will have no comment on this development. I wonder, would a independent board of library trustees (such as the one the mayor dissolving when he purged the Drescher administration) have something to say...?
Posted by BUBBADUCK on March 19, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Jaker0826 hit the nail on the head. This only puts more kids on the streets and you and I all know what will transpire. Some kind of hidden agenda is going on here and it is at the kids expense.
Posted by hatxcat on March 19, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Folks...Willie is King because we keep re-electing him. Probably seems obvious to him that we really like what he is doing...AND of course diversity and majority put him where he is. Minority needs to be redefined in Memphis.
Posted by thefuture on March 19, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
An idiot making an idiot decision. What is the Kings plan for reuse of these spaces? This is the multi-million $$$$ question. Bass Pro????? The Herenton Museum????? What are you going to do that makes these spaces productive for the community????
Posted by starforce on March 19, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This might be the information age but last time I checked, most books aren't on the internet. Sure, you can buy an electronic book reader but that isn't the norm. There is so much that a library provides that you can't get online.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Way to go Mayor, Show these whiners who's in charge. It takes a lot of backbone to make these tough and unpopular decisions. They, and you'll know who (they) are, are going to hate you no matter what. And another thing, these people keep throwing this out that mayor Herenton appoints people that are not qualified, Who told them that they could judge a person's qualifications? Sounds more like sour grapes to me.
One other thing, How many of these posts were written at the (liberry)?
with the Internet, libraries will soon be as obsolete as an encyclopedia or typewriter.
PS. I've got a good set of World Book Encyclopedias. "Cheap"
Posted by denniskaren on March 19, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tjwillmsn is right, this is just a ploy by King Willie for more tax revenue. Who in their right mind would ever make a statement such as this without a hidden agenda. How about the hundreds of positions that King Willie has appointed with payrolls far exceeding the savings by shutting down a few libraries. Its time to get Willie out of office. Shakin off the stupidity!!!!!!!!!
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why in the world would this egotistical illiterate close down Poplar-White Station when it is one of the busiest branches in the city. Memphis is going down a black hole.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mandm8250 , I take exception to that statement
Posted by passive_observer on March 19, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tjwillmsn hit it right on the head. Remember the "we're going to build a new stadium" speech?
People went crazy about paying $200M for a new stadium.
Then, when it became "well, we'll just make $40M of improvements to the Liberty Bowl" - nobody blinked.
Change that new year's day speech to "we need to make $40M of improvements" and people freak out still.
Maybe it's bait and switch, maybe it's not. But presenting a nasty situation, letting people get outraged, and then presenting an alternative that was probably the goal in the first place is a common tactic by Willie Herenton.
Posted by voiceofreason on March 19, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tj,
Can you point us toward your source of free, online literature? Thanks!
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am so ANGRY that I can not say anything. I'm at a loss for words. That says a lot.
Posted by POBOY56 on March 19, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe King Willie was told by God to close them.
Diversity? Willie wouldn't know the word. He is the biggest racist in Memphis. Period.
He's also an arrogant idiot. I'm not sure the man has opposable thumbs. You know King Willie.. He doesn't have to answer to anybody about his decisions. Yet, he gets offended because people don't under his choices. His choices? Cronies, cronies, cronies.... This bad example of affirmative action needs to hit the road.
Posted by JJ613 on March 19, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am very disappionted that the Commercial Appeal does not have this story on the front page of the paper. When crime is at an all time high in this city the last thing we need to do is close down alternative forms of entertainment for our kids. Even if only 10 children visit the libraries and community centers on a regular basis...that is 10 children who are not on the street.
Posted by awculv on March 19, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I suspect developers want the Poplar/White Station and downtown sites. And what developers want . . . .
Posted by Urbanut on March 19, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is how the cycle of decline begins, or should I say accelerates. The old “fall back and regroup” cascade of urban decline. Everyone may complain about rising taxes, but here we have the trade off- the slow erosion of services. These services represent on e of the few real positive benefits of living in any urban area. Residents of most rural areas face poor fire protection, a lack of cultural institutions and a general low level of potential economic and educational growth. However, when the services and attributes of urban life begin the breakdown, there remain fewer and fewer reasons to remain in the same urban setting.
Posted by ronaldray on March 19, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Mayor says he doesnt know how to make the crime situation better, but hes got making it worse down pat. Just a quick "Thank you" to all who voted for this bufoon.
Posted by tfollis on March 19, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So, the mayor who would like to unite the county under one government with himself at the head, lacks the ability to see beyond the color of a person's skin. Anybody to makes the statement that diversity is lacking within any organization is looking only on the surface, at a person's gender or race, and not deeper, at their experience and talent and ability.
The biggest racist statement of all time has to be "they all look the same."
Posted by book_woman on March 19, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As a book lover, this article truly breaks my heart. How could Herenton make such a decision? It is bad enough that the percentage of people reading in this country has declined in recent years; this decision is only another nail in the literacy coffin. Anyone out there want to do something about it? I know I do!
Posted by sharon.baldwin on March 19, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He didn't wait very long after he put his head flunky in the Drescher's position now did he? I could see the writing on the wall when that all came down.
When do you think the fine citizens who elected this albatross will wake up and realize he is taking down the entire city?
I used to love being a Memphian. What is it going to take to shake these people up and get that dictator out of office.
He has no more sense than a flea.
Posted by ShaniaPain on March 19, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton should be impeached for crimes against the citizens of Memphis. His absurd comment, “They had no respect for diversity”, which was his poor attempt to justify the reasoning for closing the libraries, no more supports any measure of truth than his other illogical reasons for many of the things he does, which are grossly malformed and usually nonviable. How can Herenton imply that the Highland Library, which is at the epicenter of the University of Memphis, "...has no respect for diversity"? Get rid of this freak.
Posted by ShaniaPain on March 19, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
By the way...the Highland Library is a cultural landmark.
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65, you can take exception all you want. We have a bunch of idiots running this city, and King Willie is the biggest idiot. He and his also illiterate flunkies have turned what once was a decent city into a crime-ridden nationally laughed at joke of a town. Whenever I see tourists I feel so sorry for them that they are touring such an ugly city where they are exposed to all sorts of crime. As soon as I can retire I'm out of this black hole.
Posted by ShaniaPain on March 19, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pps...Just because Herenton can't read doesn't mean that he should close the library.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a complete travesty. Has Herenton ever even entered the libraries on Highland or Poplar? They are both excellent smaller branches and normally very busy.
Maybe it's time for all the villagers to get their pitchforks and torches and march on the "king's" castle....
Posted by bighouse on March 19, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I for one am glad the city is going to be shutting down neglected, dilapidated, racially segmented institutions in the interests of saving us all money. Next perhaps they will stop pumping millions into LeMoyne Owen.
Posted by kbarton on March 19, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When I was under the age of 10, I lived in south Memphis, near the old Rosewood movie theater on Lauderdale. There was a Rexall with a nice soda fountain across the street and a Big Star next door. The real draw was the little library at the end of the buildings. I'd go in there in the summer time and spend hours reading books. It was nice and cool, we didn't have A/C at the house. And it was quiet, clean, and well-maintained. And a safe place for a child to go. I started reading before 1st grade, using the Commercial Appeal comics. But no doubt my hours in the library were a real benefit later in grade school between school years during the summer.
By the way, am I wrong, or was the library system once known as the "Memphis/Shelby" county library system? What happened to make it the "Memphis" library? If I am wrong about that, let me know.
Posted by ringer on March 19, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lack of diversity? 4 of the 5 managers at the branches that will be closed are black women. By the way, all 5 are excellent librarians, library managers, and people.
Perhaps by diversity he means they need more men? Men won't take that job - it's too difficult for the lack of decent pay received (It starts around $31k/year, most people will take their master's degree elsewhere for a better paying job with less stress and more physical security).
The only commonlity I see among library managers and employees is that they are competent. Perhaps that is what the mayor means by a lack of diversity - they do not have enough incompetent people on staff and in management ranks.
Posted by ringer on March 19, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
kbarton - In 2003 Shelby County withdrew funding support for MSCPLIC (Memphis/Shelby County Public Library & Info Center). This left the City as the main funding supporter of the Library - renaming it MPLIC (Memphis Pub Lib & Info Ctr). Slowly the municipalities began withdrawing from the system - first G'town, then C'ville, Millington, and Arlington - all going with a private company to run their library services. Bartlett decided to contract library services through MPLIC. There is no longer a Shelby County Public Library. The only library building in Shelby County is the East Shelby Branch off East Shelby Drive - the county supports this branch by contracting its library services through MPLIC, much like Bartlett does.
Posted by Kellimezzo on March 19, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tjwillmsn, some of us continue to go to the library for the old fashioned habit of actually checking out books to read. Last time I checked, my internet access at home did not provide that service for me. Closing the Highland and Pop-White branches is a real blow to East Memphis. I don't like the Central Library on Poplar and I don't want to be forced to go to East Shelby or Parkway Village. Where does that leave East Memphis residents?
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
book_woman - I'd love to do something to fight this decision. Any ideas?
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't have any brilliant ideas at the moment, but if anyone else does, I'm in.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have an idea- recall the dumba$$ mayor. That would be a start.
Posted by nativememphian on March 19, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65, You must want a job with King Willie's entourage. Maybe he could make you the manager of the Popeye's or Churches Chicken franchise that will certainly take the place of these libraries.
I am no longer proud to call Memphis my hometown. I am happy to call the vibrant,truly diverse city of Atlanta my home. Oh by the way, we have an African American women Mayor. She could kick King Willie's sorry behind all the way to the unemployment line. She represents our city with class and style and makes decisions that benefit ALL of our citizens. Willie is a thug in an Armani suit.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok, according to the Eyewitness News story on their website regarding this, (http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/...)
what he's done is submit a budget that cuts funding for the libraries and community centers, BUT it's actually up to the City Council to accept or reject the idea.
"Mayor Herenton says money for the five libraries and four community centers has already been cut from his proposed budget. But when he presents that budget to city council next month, council members could vote to put the money back in, and keep the libraries and community centers open."
I think those of us who are upset over this need to make a strong and unified effort over the next month to make sure our city council representatives know where we stand. I'd be in favor of taking some other action as well, but I think this is a necessary part of any plan to fight this idiotic and short-sighted idea.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think a good faith gesture would be for his Highness to take a pay cut.
Posted by kattgirrl on March 19, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I will repeat some of the comments I made earlier, which have been deleted for some reason. The mayor probably has justification in closing SOME library branches. My point is only that he should close the ones that are LEAST USED. The decision should be backed by statistics, and should not be arbitrary or political. What is Herenton's reasoning in choosing these particular library branches and community centers? Being "embarrassed" by their condition is not justification, nor is a lack of diversity. Some branches have been in line for years to get capital improvement money for renovation, and Herenton and the city council have chosen not to spend money on the libraries. Diversity--as someone else stated, 4 of the 5 managers of the libraries to be closed are black. Whatever the real reason, the communities affected by this decision should bombard the mayor and news media with protests.
Posted by uofmtigers on March 19, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He'd get about as much in savings if he just got rid of all his special appointees that the council doesn't have any control over. Let's face it Memphians - and I am one - the only way this idiot will ever get out of office in this city of irresponisble voters is to be carried out in a wooden box - but, look on the bright side - in our city, where crime runs rampant, if he lives here long enough - he'll be a statistic. Oh, but wait, he doesn't live in an impoverished part of the city - does he? No, he lives in a gated community where the crime is locked outside. So, it's ok to close libraries and community centers where the youth could escape for a few hours. With any luck, those kids won't take those few hours for gang activity. If they do, I suggest vandalizing the very gated community that the mayor calls home. When are black voters in this city going to realize that the only thing this mayor ever does is to come out and ask for his constituants vote during election year. What, exactly, has he done for blacks in the city of Memphis if you aren't one of his appointees? Can anyone come up with a list of good deeds this man has done? I certainly can't. Where was he when a tornado tore through Hickory Hill? Where was he when there were 6 people slain on Lester street? Looks like he was devising a plan to save the city by closing libraries and community centers. Brilliant move wee willie winkie!
Posted by lewc0809 on March 19, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You would think as a mayor that your first priority will be to the city, not what he wants as if no one else counts. Does he ever consider how his actions affect the communities around him. Does he think before he opens his big mouth and act on his stupid decisions. Closing libraries and community centers will increase the crime in the city because young people will no longer have those options available to them. As a mom, I am glad my child can go to the library after school. I just do not understand why he is still in office. I really don't.
Posted by curlyqlink on March 19, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess by "diversity" Willie means we need to appoint more people like his thug bodyguards to run the library instead of people who actually went to school to study library science. Imagine the furor that would erupt if a white politician made a statement like "they all look alike." I do research at the library, and believe me, there is plenty of information there that cannot be found online. Willie just wants to keep the population as ignorant as possible to insure that his constituency remains intact. Another despicable act by a despicable person.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mandm8250, You're about to p... me off with your black hole remark, are you a bigot? just asking.
Posted by zappa on March 19, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
for anyone looking for a way to respond - note that the Detroit City Council has just called for its mayor to resign, for a record similar-to-but-even-less-than Herenton's (except that Kilpatrick's does include perjury). Anyone unhappy with this decision should urge his or her councilperson to move for and vote for a call for Herenton's resignation
Posted by jimasdoia on March 19, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Libraries are an important community asset. Easy access to a library in every neighborhod is necessary to maintain a well educated citizenry and workforce. While financial considerations may require an close examination of under utilized taxpayer-funded facilities, in the case of libraries, one should find ways to promote their use rather than to shut them down. Access to books and a quiet place in which to enjoy them is absolutely necessary to allow people to acquire knowledge to improve themselves and break the cycle of poverty that grips too many areas of this City.
Posted by John_Jones on March 19, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm a Memphian now living out of town. I spent plenty of summers during what would have been an otherwise wasted youth in the Memphis and Shelby County libraries.
By the time I was 11, I had read the Iliad, the Aeneid, and The Odyssey thanks to the libraries.
This is sad.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel- I didn't think he meant black person hole. He meant black hole like in space.
Sheesh. Why are you so sensitive?
Perhaps you need to go to the library before they all close and figure out what a black hole is.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Never mind- I'll save you the trouble.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger, Sorry and my apologies to mandm8250 but when you've been black as long as I have, you have to watch your back.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel- so you got mad about something someone said and you didn't even know what it was???
Does that make sense?
So, and I ask this question sincerely, do you automatically get angry if anyone uses the word black related to anything and automatically assume it is racial?
Posted by wtilmon on March 19, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
molliemole and others--The King wants and expects an outcry. Read the rationale--to offset a property tax increase. This is Herenton 101, and he wrote the playbook. If you want to pass a huge tax increase, then first propose some drastic measures that will have the public practically begging for a tax increase instead. Two or three years ago, it was the parks. Most of the workers were laid off for the summer, and the grass was never mowed, and conditions deteriorated. Then when the public quieted down about taxes, an increase was passed and the mowers cranked up again. Of course, if he wants to base his decisions entirely on savings (without considering the benefit provided or the effect of his actions), then there are other ways to save money. Quit picking up garbage. Close the schools. Let the police and firefighters go. Gosh, turn off the traffic lights. Maybe we could sell the trees on city property to a lumber company. Has he really tapped into all the available measures?
Posted by mamacow1 on March 19, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If the Memphis City Council would stop giving King Willie an underserved pay raise each year, then there would probably be enough money in the budget to keep libraries and community centers open.
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
I used black hole as a figure of speech. It relates to anything King Willie and his cohorts have done to drain everything good that used to be Memphis into a black hole.
I go to many libraries on a regular basis. I work downtown so I reserve library books online to pick up at Highland and at the Main Library - also at Poplar-White Station when I'm headed in that direction. I also frequent the Bartlett library. I don't think that Highland would be considered a branch mainly frequented by blacks, and Poplar-White Station is not either.
I can understand why under-utilized branches might be considered for closing, but since I don't know anything about the other three branches I can't speak to their condition or who frequents them.
I am not a native Memphian -- only been here 20 years. But in that 20 years I have seen a major degradation of all that was good in this town. If I could have foreseen what Memphis would turn into I would never have moved here, and I can't wait to leave. But in the meantime I would like to fight for the few things left that are meaningful, and literacy is one of them.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, Chantigger, McDaniel65 admitted he took it wrong and apologized; let's move on....
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You're right. I will apologize. Sorry. I was just curious- really.
Moving on...
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger, Got that right, Like they say in the military, If ever in doubt (salute) Hafta keep an eye on these key board bigots. Know what I mean?
Posted by DataGeek on March 19, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My congratulations to Chantigger and McDaniel65; these two illustrate that much of the race based conflict in Memphis is rooted in miscommunication. I only wish the rest of the community could be as reasonable as each of you have been here.
We have a problem here that cuts across the bounds of race and class. We can find ways to fight about it but we would all benefit if the entire community used it as a point to rally around the needs of our children and everyone else.
Perhaps the next step is to use this discussion to create the public outcry at the next city council meeting. Do we have a community organizer in the room?
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Keyboard bigots. Ha, that's cute.
Now, back to business at hand.
Wtilmon- valid points. Herenton 101. Classic ploys. It worked VERY well with the parks cuts a few years ago. I work for that system- my job was threatened.
What we NEED to do is RECALL the mayor. Call for his resignation- though he won't do it. He's too arrogant.
What I wonder is- how many times are the citizens of Memphis going to keep bending over...
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Data- the root of almost all conflict is miscommunication. Until we can talk to each other honestly and rationally and work THROUGH the reasons for anger, etc. this will occur.
But in today's society of "oh, don't hurt anyone's feelings" that is almost impossible.
I was taught that there are no dumb questions. It is also necessary to listen to the answer, and make sure you understood what the person was saying. This requires communication!
Posted by tigerbee on March 19, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow----Mr Mayor can only observe that the "libraries look rundown and all in management look the same".
I guess this is what's called JUDGING A BOOK BY IT'S COVER.
To bad this addled, corrupt, self serving egomaniac has struck again.
Judge people by their appearance--not for what they can do. Close libraries because of their appearance--not for what they contain and can do.
I wonder who Mr. Mayor paid $600,000 to, to come up with this plan. And I'd like to see the section of this $600,000 report that said fire people who can do the job because they look to much alike.
Posted by harbortwngal28 on March 19, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65...just curious...where do you see bigoted comments ("keyboard bigots")? i just see discussion among memphians about their outrage at Herenton's most recent and terribly idiotic "plan" for this city. it matters not what color Herenton is (although he seems to make skin color the issue du jour), he is completely incompetent and should be regarded as such.
Posted by thefuture on March 19, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It only takes a couple of concerned citizens and some legal guidance to work towards an impeachment of elected officials. Lets ban together and remove our city's biggest problem and start from scratch. I would hope the Govenor has some type of power to remove poorly operating officials for office?
Posted by tigerbee on March 19, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I see Mr. Mayor out before ballgames all the time having cocktails with his posse.
He must not respect diversity because they always all look the same.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Seems to me that someone DID try to recall the mayor a few years ago, and did not succeed for lack of signatures. Where was everyone then?
If they can't be bothered to simply sign their name on a piece of paper, is it any surprise that they can't be bothered to do anything now?
And WHY WHY WHY did he win the last election? Who exactly keeps voting for this fool?
Posted by wtilmon on March 19, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger--
Q: Who exactly keeps voting for this fool?
A: Fools.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wtilmon- lol... I asked for that, didn't I?
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton said he was "embarrassed" by the condition of some library branches.
I am embrrassed by HIM! Instead of shutting them down, he should improve them; just as he wants to 'improve' every other building in the dowtown area. But oh, the libraries aren't 'money makers' for him and his cronies,so why not just shut them down, right?
Shutting down the libraries and community centers does nothing but push the youth further and deeper into the streets. But I think that's what he wants: city of thugs and criminals, led by thugs and criminals like himself.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Found a link to the efficiency study cited:
http://www.cityofmemphis.org/pdf_form...
The section on libraries starts on p. 181; following the section discussing community centers (p. 176). While the study does in fact suggest closure of these 5 branches due to the proximity of the branches to others and smaller physical size, I think it's important to note that this was a secondary recommendation to the main goal advised of "moving toward a library system operating model that would provide for regional branches in accessible and highly visible locations." The study suggests that these 5 branches would be suitable to consider for closure as part of a plan for IMPROVEMENT of accessibility of library services to neighborhoods, not just "shut 'em down to save money." The study suggests that resources saved by closure could be "utilized for new capital investments associated with the construction or expansion of regional branch library facilities in the City." Aaaand, I don't think that's what the current proposal is contemplating.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
harbortwngal28 , If you can't see all of the bigoted comments , posted here, you are in need of some serious help, It's not the (liberrys) it's just to disagree with the mayor. If you want to disagree, disagree with, Bush @& Cheny where we're spending 12 billions per month and lost over 4000 lives for nothing. All off these posters probably haven't lost anyone in this useless war or know anyone who have, use your energies on something worthwhile, To hate the mayor will only get you upset, the outcome will still be the same
Posted by bford on March 19, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When do the book burnings begin? I liked it better when the Mayor was invisible. Tornado in Hickory Hill, Lester Street murders, Crime summit and anything else a normal concerned mayor would show up. The tax increase he is setting up is going to knock your socks off.
Posted by memphisrb on March 19, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"shake off the haters" willyboy and shut them all down now. The entire city is on the brink of bankruptcy and it will only get worse in the coming years as property taxes streak north the only tax payers left will be those that cannot excape and cannot pay.
Posted by book_woman on March 19, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mandm8250 - No ideas yet. What about you? As long as there are people who want to fight this decision, I am all ears.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
MemphisChick , You ever thought of a job as a stand -up comic?
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If Willie keeps doing his part by his apathy towards and neglect/removal of anything that can positively impact educational opportunities, he achieves the following:
1. Dumb citizens who will keep him and his cronies in office to feed off the poverty and despair of his citizens.
2. Will get to be mayor of a city of nothing BUT poor people and thugs. It's not there yet, but at this rate it will be.
3. Will no longer have a tax base from which to draw- as all that will be left are people who USE tax dollars for welfare (or whatever they call it now- government assistance?), etc. The people who actually WORK and PAY the taxes will be gone- either killed or moved away.
Education is integral to the future of our country. Who is going to take care of things when WE all get old? Many in this city will be incapable of holding jobs like doctors, nurses, computer programmers, etc. because they 1. can't feel safe enough in school to study (if they go at all) and 2. can't supplement their education at readily accessible libraries.
But hey, what do I know?
Posted by ringer on March 19, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The $600,000 paid to a consulting firm would have made a complete (and wonderful) rennovation of one of those "shabby" libraries. It could make decent rennovations for 2-3 of the branches. It could have made acceptable cosmetic rennovations to all 5 of the branches facing closure.
$600,000 could also have nearly doubled the materials budget for the library system as a whole.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel- seriously? You don't think MemphisChick is right?
If we keep taking away the few good places left for the youth to go, what is their alternative? Your house, my house? Except they won't be there for a social call... well, not one that we invited them to.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ringer, I can't believe I'm defending the city government on this, but the $600,000 study covered a lot more than just the libraries; the majority of it seems to be how we could increase efficiency in the police and fire departments. I put a link to it a few posts up, if anyone wants to read it. Some of it's common-sense, but overall I don't think it's a bad idea to have some outside input on how we could improve city operations. As I pointed out above, what they are doing here is a half-a$$ed implementation of what was only a minor part of the recommendation on libraries.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just to add; I don't agree with the report's conclusion that a library branch within a few miles of another library is a bad or inefficient thing. But overall, the suggested idea of improving or replacing branches is very different from just closing them.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Act- so he got the study done to use as "justification" to shut the libraries/centers. He's cherry picking the stuff he wanted to do anyway, and figures people won't notice that he only did part of what was suggested.
Do I have that right?
Posted by proudhowardgrad on March 19, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's time for the entire city to come to together and go to the council meeting and voice our concerns. It may be a bait and switch job, but I for one am tired of people complaining and not doing...including myself...it's time to take a real stand for something that effects us all...I think John Grisham said everytime his family moved one of the first things they did was find a church, enroll in school, and get a library card...
Posted by pbe on March 19, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have been a strong supporter of Mayor Herenton...however, I must succumb to the realization you have lost perspective. Also what's with that comment: "they all look alike" Pleassse...what an immature statement to make. Libraries are the center of knowledge for the entire community to gather for multiple purposes. Many people have perference to the utilization of the library as appose to the internet for information.
Lately, many of your decision has force me to question and wonder if some of the things people have said are possibly valid. Is this indeed the real you? Do you really want to add more to a tarnish legacy. Leave the libraries open and allow the public the access to frequent an establishment that we greatly appreciate in this city...as well as one we received national attention. Come on...
Posted by harbortwngal28 on March 19, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel--
webster's defines the word bigoted as "utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own". Again, I don't see a reflection of that on this board. I see a lot of angry people upset about what is happening in THEIR city and they are discussing it in a civil manner. If you want to get technical Mcdaniel, then according to the above definition, Willie Herenton's picture should be next to the word "bigoted" in the dictionary. If you want to stir up the racial pot, go somewhere else...this board is not the forum for your ridiculous racial rants...
Posted by dahrius1 on March 19, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We need to find someone who's family is either dead or nonexistant to lead the charge and create a save memphis blog. The reason why I propose someone like that is because people who aren't in fear of harm to their loved ones (remember Mud Island employee?) can take on the mayor and all of the thugs he has on his/our payroll. We need a leader in this community who is intellectual enough to think for themselves and not follow something that they heard. The last impeachment attempt was led by Thaddeus Matthews. That should tell you why it failed. Most people had never even heard of the impeachment. They would have signed.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger, I can't speculate on the overall motivation behind the fairly large study, BUT I am willing to speculate that he's assuming none of us will actually READ it. I haven't read it cover to cover yet, but I think you're correct in that he's cherry-picking stuff that doesn't matter to him anyway and using selected parts of the report as justification, without implementing the overall recommendations.
I'm noticing that there's some good recommendations in there that haven't been enacted, like coming up with some type of unified city-wide plan for running the Community Centers, or having them all open at 2 pm on weekdays instead of earlier in the day when the kids are in school and nobody's using them. I doubt if the city's "assessed and redesigned its purchasing system" either.
I don't have a problem with the city having an outside firm (it's Deloitte, out of Houston, so probably not a cronyism issue there) look over how we could be doing things better, but I do have a problem with the city taking stuff out of it piecemeal that needs to be addressed as part of a larger improvement plan.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe someone should write the First Lady (a librarian) and alert her as to what is going on with our nationally recognized library.
Hmmm...
Posted by nativememphian on March 19, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65 . Real suave with your "redneck" reference, (liberrys). In fact, I think it is actually spelled,"liberries". You must have gone to one of the Memphis Public schools. Oh yeah, Willie was the superintendant at one time, in between the birthing of his illegitimate children. I am a proud hater of King Willie and I'm not afraid to admit it. The city of Memphis has turned into one giant ghetto and King Willie has been crowned King, over and over again, of a crime ridden, sink hole.
Posted by SeasonsGreetings on March 19, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I saw Wharton at Barnes and Noble last week. He was probably devising a plan to shut it down too. Pretty soon, the CA is going to be the only thing around to read.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton does not care.
Posted by FMRMEMPHIAN on March 19, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Does anyone remember the thousands of dollars spent on the elaborate copy machines that the Board of Education ordered with the signature of a DEAD MAN authorizing it? They were never used and I beleive they came with a premium of a TV that was never located. No way we can afford these libraries and civic centers. I know, let's put the books in the crack houses.
Posted by jenjencampbell on March 19, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A couple of my most treasured childhood memories growing up in Memphis was of my father taking me once a week to the library, and summers spent at the local community center, (this was back in the 70's). I don't know where I would be today if these public services had not been available to me. What happens to a city where are our most valuable resource, our children, is no longer a priority? I guess we will find out. I too, am heartbroken.
Posted by Mr_Kite on March 19, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BLAH, BLAH BLAH... Where were all you folks when we had the election? (Hmmm?) We had a chance to oust this BOZO and what happened? (Stupid liberals voted for the other black guy because a white woman could not win?) How many people turned out to vote? (35% maybe?) Why aren't you picketing city hall? We all get what we all get because we all aren't good citizens, and the worst citizen WINS, congratulations Mayor!
Posted by dstep1389 on March 19, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am a frequent patron at the poplar white station library...about 3 times a week. while there, i have seen people of all ages and ethnic groups.
people using the computers have ranged from 80 years old to students doing homework. (they obviously don't have computers at home) This branch is very important to the community. It just breaks my heart that it is closing..that herenton has chosen to hurt this city even more than it already has been hurt.
is there anything we can do to change this horrible decision?
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What would make you think the commenters on here didn't bother to vote, Mr_Kite? I'm just curious. (Hey,I always vote, even when I'm not thrilled with any of my options.) Oh, and picketing city hall as a lone random person sounds like a great activity...if you're a member of the tinfoil hat brigade.
I think there's more productive ways of dealing with this issue. For example -- if everyone who is interested in this puts as much energy into letting your council members know your opinion as you do letting other CA readers know your opinion -- that might go a long way. This will only take effect IF they approve it -- make sure they know your opinion.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I vote.
I also write my representatives/senators/governor on a regular basis about important stuff.
Can't hurt.
But one voice will do no good, as pointed out. It will take many.
Does anyone remember being taught about the one stick versus many sticks? One stick can be broken, no problem. A bundle of sticks can't. It's too strong.
Let's bundle together, people. I've already sent my emails and made my calls today.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr Kite said: Where were all you folks when we had the election? (Hmmm?) We had a chance to oust this BOZO and what happened? (Stupid liberals voted for the other black guy because a white woman could not win?) How many people turned out to vote?
Um, I'm a liberal, but I'm not stupid, and I did vote. I was part of the lousy % that did get out that day and dutifully stood in line and I voted for the white woman.
I'm just sorry she didn't win.
Posted by easygoer00 on March 19, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I was a kid in this city, and I had an important piece of work needed to be done for class...I had to go to the main library. That was nearly 30 years ago.
I disagree that these other libraries are efficient and effective. The library shouldn't be a place just to baby sit your kid while he trolls on the internet. I've been to two of these that are set for closure, and I'm unimpressed.
I think we had a better library at my high school than we have currently at Highland.
I'm not sure it's such a bad idea. Having said that, the mayor is a reckless cowboy with a big mouth. The comment about them all looking alike is designed to be a wedge to inspire blk memphians. And it will on a certain level.
Posted by thefuture on March 19, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've got a novel idea. How bout we continue all of this in the next 4 City Council meetings: April 1 & 15
May 6 & 20
125 N. Main St
3:30
Let's all put our mouths where our fingers are, let's make a difference vs. talking about making a difference, I'll be there will you?
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
harbortwngal28, If you can't see bigoted comments in most of these post, check the Sunday papers for coupons to Eye Masters or LensCrafters, They have really good deals on eyewear
Posted by shakespearetobe on March 19, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Has Herenton taken a look at his appointees lately?
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm planning on trying to make it to the city council meetings myself, although I think the vote on the budget is at one of the April ones, so probably not much point in May. At least for this issue.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TeHE, Helen you're funny, But there is a lot of comedians out of work, I would try another line of work. Just my humble opinion
Posted by Not_Chicken_Little on March 19, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you, King Willie, for your never-ending efforts to improve our peon lives here in Memphis.
We don't need no stinkin' libraries! Reading is for dummies. Build us more stadiums so we can adore more sports figures! Give more tax breaks to sports teams, and raise our property taxes! Bread and circuses, that's the ticket!
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
just_telling_the_truth , Thank you, My sentiments exactly. They're just Bit...ng because it's mayor Herenton. They'll get over it, if not, like you said, just move on.
Posted by pbe on March 19, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
easygoer said: "The comment about them all looking alike is designed to be a wedge to inspire blk memphians. And it will on a certain level.
I have been scratching my head and brain trying to understand what Mayor Herenton meant by that comment and you could be on to something. As I said earlier, I have been a strong supporter of him but some recent decisions and statements has compelled me to become more objective in my thought process. In all honesty, to move away from my subjective viewpoint and look at the overall picture.
Although difficult and admittingly painful to say, the realization that this city is regressing and racism has escalated compells me to accept the fact we need a change in this city. Looking back at some of the mayor's unstately comments and rethinking the outburst they generated (by upset citizens of this city) challenged me to see I can no longer remain under the pretense that things are ok.
I am totally frustrated with black and white negativity on various issues that has echoed on this board on some occasions. It accomplished nothing but continued hatred and bigotry in this city. We can be a great striving economically prosperous community if we elect someone who will represents the entire city. A person who is sensitive to the entire community. Memphis needs a change. We need a Obama type.. black or white... who will refute racism and is all inconclusive to both communities.
Posted by denniskaren on March 19, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mrs Smith I was not able to do my report on American Theocracy because our local library has been closed. No-- I didnt pass the competency exam, what do you mean I wont graduate. Well i n that case I'll just drop out and rob the local gas station.
Posted by harbortwngal28 on March 19, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel: perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with a dictionary...it will help you with your spelling and definitions. You might go to the library and look for one ASAP before Herenton shuts them down!!
I am not going to further this conversation with you, as you appear to be semi-illiterate and very immature. This is a discussion board, not an insult board. Know the difference.
Posted by curlyqlink on March 19, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, just_telling_the _truth, I suppose we should all just fall in line and accept whatever King Baby Daddy tells us, just like they did in Nazi Germany. Obedient little sheep like you are a big part of the reason we're faced with the mess we have.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually, McDaniel65, I'm bit...ng because I like libraries and think that they can be an important part of a community, something I guess we can agree to disagree on. (Look at it this way -- my position is less about being negative about the mayor, and more about me being positive that the community served by the facilities proposed for closure is deriving some benefit from keeping them open.) But I can only speak for myself.
Posted by ewoksgirl on March 19, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OK so i knew that getting again into the office was no good.He has nevry done anygood.But we can get him out of office.If he REALY wanted to safe money. Then he needs to fire all the bobyguards yes he has about 10? And all the other people that he just made up news jobs for.
And best of all is take a pay cut. He dont need all the money. OH yes he dose for all the girls he's sleeping with.All he wants is a thug city. and thats what is going to happen.And i getting out of Memphis. I will not stay in a city that is run by a jack A** of a mayor that only wants no good for his people.OH wait again thugs are his people and for all the thugs are going to b****.I AM A PROUD BLACK WOMAN.And i know that he doesn't care.
Posted by stevejoe on March 19, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
just telling and Mcd69
You are not too old to learn how to read, so please, don't be afraid of books. When your kind finish your ignorant craft, the city of Memphis will be filled with just cockroaches - and you. Willie's a low-life. He can't help but tear down all things good. And his low-life supporters keep on walking in the dung he lives behind, lapping it up like ice-cream, and begging for more. How can we battle the ignorance he has farmed so well for so long? The absurd clowns gassing off in this discussion are proof Willie knows what grows well in Memphis - stupidity.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
denniskaren, I was just trying to come down to your level. I've got mine, I'm retired and could care less what you whine about. I'm not illiterate, I thought you were, Sorry, If you want to match wits with me, you should know on the front end, I never fight with an unarmed person.
Posted by stevejoe on March 19, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One last note -
Our main library bears the name Of Dr. Benjamin Hooks, and it is an honor to the LIBRARY that it is so endowed. Dr. Hooks is, in my opinion, the greatest gift Memphis has made to the world. He ranks up there with our country's noblest men. But, I would appeal to Mr. Hooks to please step in and encourage our community's leaders to prize our library system for the asset it is. Help our mayor make us stronger, not weaker. I am embarassed for Dr. Hooks that his good name is connected to an institution that Herenton is turning into public ridicule. There can be no doubt in any sane mind that the mayor's actions have not been for the good of the library or the community. Our children deserve better. Benjamin L. Hooks deserves better. Memphis deserves better.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Whatever. After all is said and done, Herenton STILL does not care about us, this city or the future output from this city.
As much as I treasure my home PC and can access pretty much anything I want from anywhere in the world at anytime, I still adore and enjoy my visits to the library! I love to walk the long rows of books and just randomly pull one out and read about something I don't know. And I have the opportunity to take them home with me for about 3 weeks! Even before I replaced my home PC, the library was the one place I could go to get online; complete job and grant research; and get rich information on the city of Memphis. While in elementary, junior high, high school and both 'tours' of college, I still flocked to the library! I can't tell you how many essays, projects, etc the library helped me to complete, from its mass of available information to its friendly, informative and helpful staff. When I moved away from Memphis in 2000, one of my firsts 'visits' back home as a sight to see was the new library on Poplar. It's a beautiful thang! If Herenton takes that away or any other library/community center, he can be rest assured that he will have raped our youth (with no vaseline!) of education, experience, knowledge, and a safe haven other than the streets.
Yes, I get tired of the kids hanging all over the place too like it's a jungle gym, but I smile to myself when I think about how I'd rather see them at the library hanging out than hanging on the corner somewhere slangin' rocks and fighting, with aspirations of being our future mayor.
Posted by ripped on March 19, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please write to all of the members of the Memphis City Council to try to convince them to stop Herenton's madness: http://www.cityofmemphis.org/framework.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ewok, please. You're embarrassing me as a woman.
Posted by ten_a_c_girl on March 19, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I started sending letters to the city council earlier today. I encourage all concerned citizens to do so. This is a tragedy. Memphis' illiteracy rate is 35% and we can't afford to close any library. Young people have to be encouraged to read and this is sending the wrong message to our young children.
Note: Ewok is obviously a joke posting that I don't find amusing.
Posted by ewoksgirl on March 19, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kiss you know what
Posted by tigerteacher on March 19, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's it, Willie. Shutting down libraries is just the way to improve our crime-ridden city. Why stop at five? And, really, why stop at libraries? How about shutting down some more schools? Pick ones right in the heart of Memphis. White Station High School, perhaps? It would certainly save a buck or two.
Every time I think things can't get any worse in our city, we sink even further into animalistic decay. And look who's at the helm....
Posted by thunderbob on March 20, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I must have slept through the mayor's first 4 terms. What improvements to the Memphis community can the mayor claim for his own? I used to own a home in an annexed area of Cordova. Between April 2002 and August 2006, I saw NO civic improvements in my subdivision or anywhere near it, other than street lights on the northern portion of Houston Levee. Just what was my tax dollar going toward?? It appears that it was to raise the payscale of his cronies.
Frankly, I'm glad I'm no longer in the city, and I can see why so many people of all races are moving out. If the suburbs have anything to say about it, there will never be a city/county consolidation. Why? Because if the city government is in power, they will do nothing to improve the infrastructure or community needs. They haven't done it within the city limits since King Willie got into power, why would they start now.
Wake up Memphis. Your city government is chasing away most of the brainpower and tax base due to crime and government greed. Make a change that will do the city good.
Posted by deedee11 on March 20, 2008 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No I am not a Herenton lover but I know for a fact these libraries are not being used by the majority. Yes there are a lot of kids in there but they are not checking out books. Yes a lot of people come in to use the computers but there are only a few computers anyway. The Main library is only a mile or so from the libraries that may be closing. I did a survey last year. I surveyed every Memphis City school.(true story) 91% of the students do not have library cards. 50% of the few who had cards had not been to the library at all in the past school year. My mom works at one of the libraries and she said the kids are just hanging out talking on their phones. Of course this is not all kids so please don't throw that at me. I challege you to go to one or two of these libraries on this closing list and just observe.If we can just take our personal feelings out of this we will see that this was bound to happen. I don't know if you remember a kid got his shoes taken outside of the library after school. He said he was just at the library waiting on his mom or grandmom to get off of work. In a lot of cases these libraries are baby sitters. This is sad but in a lot of cases true.
Posted by ten_a_c_girl on March 20, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I spoke with Councilman Lowry this morning regarding the closures. According to him the council should vote on this measure in June. Actnolite2 you are a godsend. The $600,000 waste of trees is available online (see actnolite2 post) regarding the proposed library and community center closures. Lowry also stated that he doesn't know how he'll vote and that he's only received five emails concerning the library and community ctr closures.
According to him, Mayor Herenton left Tuesday's mtg proclaiming that the closures were a done deal. However, we need seven city council members to vote against him. We might be able to save some if not all of our community resources. Please email or call your council person.
"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest"- Elie Wiesel
Posted by Allie on March 20, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Now that he's leaving, can we save the libraries from him?
Mr. Herenton makes me sick. The library has always been the one place any child can go, regardless of color or income or neighborhood, to learn and rise in the world. Without a neighborhood library, we would not have Maya Angelou. There are so many great writers, scientists, and successful people who came from poor backgrounds and first learned about a larger world in a neighborhood library.
If the libraries are not safe for children, they need MORE funding, not less. The more education children receive, the less likely they are to go to jail as adults. Study after study has shown that the SINGLE MOST POWERFUL FACTOR influencing whether or not a child will grow up to commit crimes and go to jail is education. Policemen can't stop crime, they can only punish criminals after the crime is already over. To reduce Memphis's crime, fund the schools and the libraries.
Posted by juicyj999 on March 21, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't like what's happened in the libraries nowadays. And this is on a much larger scale than Memphis.
I go inside, and what do I see behold? A long row of 40 computers- and they're all used. Not a single person in the stacks reading books.
This is especially disconcerting when it happens in the hood, where we need more book reading. Instead, I see little kids playing video games and flirting with cuties on myspace and Facebook.
When I was small, we read, and computers were only a reference tool. Even I, when I take my laptop to places to work, can be distracted if the place has decent, free wireless.
There must be some way we can limit this use. Stricter computer control, blocking sites, something.
While computers enhance learning, at times, it can be our greatest hindrance.
Posted by memphonative on March 21, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe the King will have plenty of time to read about his stupidity when he is in the federal prison. Maybe one of his cronies can be in charge of the prison book cart instead of the library.
Posted by POBOY56 on March 21, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe they are just adjusting the number of libraries down to a percentage based upon how many Memphians can actually read....
Posted by juicyj999 on March 22, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
>>Maybe they are just adjusting the number of libraries down to a percentage based upon how many Memphians can actually read....
In that case, wouldn't we need more libraries and programs?
LOL...Gotcha! I can be a stereotypist's worst nightmare!!!
Posted by Madladchilly1 on March 22, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dang, it's getting hard to find a place to sleep... maybe I should start re-attending church.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/mar/19/city-to-shut-down-five-libraries/
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By Amos Maki (Contact)
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Memphis will close five libraries and four community centers July 1 in an effort to make the organizations more efficient and keep a planned property-tax hike lower, Memphis Mayor Willie Herenton told the City Council on Tuesday.
Herenton said the closings will save $1.5 million to $2 million a year and are part of an overall "repositioningof city assets" that will require more "hard decisions" by the council.
Closing July 1.
Libraries
Cossitt, 33 S. Front
Gaston, 1040 S. Third
Highland, 460 S. Highland
Levi, 3676 U.S. 61
Poplar-White Station, 5094 Poplar
Community centers
Bethel-Labelle, 2698 Larose
Greenlaw, 190 Mill
Hamilton, 1363 E. Person
Simon/Boyd-Magnolia, 2130 Wabash
Herenton also forcefully defended his handling of the Public Library and Information Center, including his decision to not reappoint longtime director Judith Drescher.
"No individual owns the library system," said Herenton. "It is the city's library system."
Herenton said he was "embarrassed" by the condition of some library branches -- the Downtown Cossitt branch, in particular -- and that they needed to be closed.
"What we had at the library system was a culture of excellence centered around the (Benjamin L. Hooks Central Library at 3030 Poplar)," said Herenton. "With some of the other libraries, it was neglect."
Herenton also criticized the lack of diversity in library management under Drescher.
"They all look alike," said Herenton. "They had no respect for diversity."
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was equitable, with rich and poor alike losing out -- "some of these libraries are in the ghetto and some are on Poplar" -- and that the city would study how to use the buildings for other purposes.
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was the result of a $600,000 efficiency study he presented to council members last April.
The study said the city could save up to $19 million by implementing a number of cost-cutting measures, including closing underused community centers and libraries and redeploying police and firefighters.
Even after the libraries and community centers are shuttered, Herenton said citizens should be prepared for a property tax hike.
"I think it is inevitable that the administration will propose a property-tax increase," he said.
Contact reporter Amos Maki at 529-2351.
Comments:
City to shut down five libraries
Cost-cutting also hits 4 community centers; more 'hard decisions' ahead
By Amos Maki (Contact)
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
Memphis will close five libraries and four community centers July 1 in an effort to make the organizations more efficient and keep a planned property-tax hike lower, Memphis Mayor Willie Herenton told the City Council on Tuesday.
Herenton said the closings will save $1.5 million to $2 million a year and are part of an overall "repositioningof city assets" that will require more "hard decisions" by the council.
Herenton also forcefully defended his handling of the Public Library and Information Center, including his decision to not reappoint longtime director Judith Drescher.
"No individual owns the library system," said Herenton. "It is the city's library system."
Herenton said he was "embarrassed" by the condition of some library branches -- the Downtown Cossitt branch, in particular -- and that they needed to be closed.
"What we had at the library system was a culture of excellence centered around the (Benjamin L. Hooks Central Library at 3030 Poplar)," said Herenton. "With some of the other libraries, it was neglect."
Herenton also criticized the lack of diversity in library management under Drescher.
"They all look alike," said Herenton. "They had no respect for diversity."
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was equitable, with rich and poor alike losing out -- "some of these libraries are in the ghetto and some are on Poplar" -- and that the city would study how to use the buildings for other purposes.
Herenton said the decision to close the libraries and community centers was the result of a $600,000 efficiency study he presented to council members last April.
The study said the city could save up to $19 million by implementing a number of cost-cutting measures, including closing underused community centers and libraries and redeploying police and firefighters.
Even after the libraries and community centers are shuttered, Herenton said citizens should be prepared for a property tax hike.
"I think it is inevitable that the administration will propose a property-tax increase," he said.
Contact reporter Amos Maki at 529-2351.
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Posted by stevejoe on March 19, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"What we had at the library system was a culture of excellence centered around the (Benjamin L. Hooks Central Library at 3030 Poplar)," said Herenton.
Did WW really say that after he fired Judith Drescher? He recognizes the "culture of excellence" she built, after he terminated her?
Did he really say "They all look alike?" referring to some lack of diversity?
What a national embarassment this vile man is. He is building himself some legacy.
Posted by djlmemphis on March 19, 2008 at 12:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton probably has someone interested in the Poplar Library location and is lumping all the real estate together so he can sell it and ..... you can guess the rest.
Posted by DJB71 on March 19, 2008 at 2:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am heartbroken to read this news. I am presently in graduate school in another city, and do not think I would have graduated from a top high school, private college and poised myself to pursue an advanced degree were it not for my early access to libraries. The Highland Library is walking distance from the elementary school I attended, and the White Station branch is walking distance from my high school. The previously relocated 'Main' branch (closed, razed and relocated to Poplar Avenue) was walking distance from the house where I grew up.
I was fortunate and had parents who were willing and able to drive me to any source of enlightenment required for my development, but not all youngsters have parents with this ability. Something must be done to keep the libraries on this list (and others that could face a similar fate) open and in service to the learners of all ages in the Memphis community.
Contributions of time and money from those who want to see the facilities remain open should not only be made, but should be matched by elected official and city employees who earn 6 figures. I am certain that they, too, can credit access to libraries for their life and carer success and should not turn a blind eye on those who wish to have similar access and success.
Posted by k9pad on March 19, 2008 at 3:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My experience with the Poplar- White Station and Highland libraries has been great. The staff at each library has been helpful at all times and i appreciate the ease and quickness of getting in and out of these branches. The mayor's comments about why he is closing these branches could only come from a demogogic politician with great skill at avoiding the truth.
Posted by anneb2 on March 19, 2008 at 3:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Poplar-White Station is a fine library with knowledgeable personnel who are eager to assist in any endeavor. This Library should never be closed.
IF Highland and Poplar-White Station are closed, this leaves a big section of Memphis without the opportunity to read, study and learn.
Education and Libraries are of equal value.
The Mayor needs to rethink his priorities.
Posted by blipintime on March 19, 2008 at 5:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenten's/Wharten's attack on literacy continues.
What in the world are they thinking? In a city with one of the highest number of dropouts, they continue to attack one institution that can offer some hope to people without access to reading and information?
I was amazed when I saw the headline. I thought it was some kind of sick joke when I first saw the headline.
His comments about "excellence at one library" and "they all look alike" are beyond contempt. Herenton has apparently lost it, or like another writer noted, probably sees the chance to help some of his buddies out.
It is time for residents to rise up and defend our Libraries!
Posted by waggener69 on March 19, 2008 at 5:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
blipintime- Has an idea who's time has come. To defend our libraries is what we must do.
Posted by Molliemole on March 19, 2008 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope that there is such an outcry about Mayor Herenton's stupid, stupid decision to close libraries (libraries, of all things!) in a city where there is high illiteracy, poor educational facilities, and a high dropout rate in the schools, that he is forced to backtrack. But he's not one to ever admit a mistake, as we know, so I don't have really much hope. I can't believe that someone who used to be a school superintendent would ever choose to close libraries. It just boggles my mind.
Posted by COR415 on March 19, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The "king" can not fix anything. The only way he can save money to give raises to his high paid "Staff" is the cut the things that will raise the education of the youth of the city, so they do not know what he is really doing to them. Kings do not rule if the people are educated and understand what is being done to them by the "leaders".
Posted by ekit60 on March 19, 2008 at 7:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mama always said "STUPID IS, WHAT STUPID DOES"
Posted by ten_a_c_girl on March 19, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My heart is broken. We cannot let this happen! Somebody please tell me what we can do?
Posted by happyshamrock on March 19, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah - what Memphis needs is less libraries. Whatever!
Posted by jaker0826 on March 19, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ya'll are forgetting that Willie is KING...and king's can do whatever they please...even if it is to destroy the very city he rules over. Closing community centers puts more kids on the street with nothing to do. That sure makes a lot of sense when teen crime is at an all time high in Memphis.
Posted by tjwillmsn on March 19, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I see that everyone is falling for the bait and switch yet again.
Herenton is threatening to close firehouses and libraries, and when there is a massive outcry from the community, the mayor proposes even higher taxes to placate the community (to maintain the level services they choose to accept) and also to keep the tax revenue coming in.
And, for the record, did anyone ever contemplate that the information age is changing the necessity of libraries? A brick and mortar library is becoming a niche informational source. I've not graced one since I left college - when the informational highway was taking off. Only the older sources and requirements of professors are there.
Posted by sunshinesusie on March 19, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I would like to speak to what the mayor says is a lack of diversity in management at the library. Two of the regional managers are black. Three of the branches that are closing are managed by lovely, dedicated and hard working African American women. I do not think it is a lack of diversity that is bothering the mayor. He will not stop until all of the management positions are held by his cronies who know nothing about running a library. As a former employee, I am saddened by the changes that have taken place over the last few months. The Memphis Public Library is now without some wonderful leaders who helped get the award that the mayor was happy to send his new director to retrieve. I only hope that this situation isn't going to get worse.
Posted by jbseymour on March 19, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tjwillmsn, how nice that you have the luxury of not gracing libraries. Many of your fellow residents do not share that option, and they are those most in need of the services that a library (and community center) provides. The gap between information haves and have nots is very real.
Further, another unshared luxury is that of private transportation; closing these units when gas is $3.15 a gallon and rising is despicable.
We know the new PL director and deputy director will have no comment on this development. I wonder, would a independent board of library trustees (such as the one the mayor dissolving when he purged the Drescher administration) have something to say...?
Posted by BUBBADUCK on March 19, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Jaker0826 hit the nail on the head. This only puts more kids on the streets and you and I all know what will transpire. Some kind of hidden agenda is going on here and it is at the kids expense.
Posted by hatxcat on March 19, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Folks...Willie is King because we keep re-electing him. Probably seems obvious to him that we really like what he is doing...AND of course diversity and majority put him where he is. Minority needs to be redefined in Memphis.
Posted by thefuture on March 19, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
An idiot making an idiot decision. What is the Kings plan for reuse of these spaces? This is the multi-million $$$$ question. Bass Pro????? The Herenton Museum????? What are you going to do that makes these spaces productive for the community????
Posted by starforce on March 19, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This might be the information age but last time I checked, most books aren't on the internet. Sure, you can buy an electronic book reader but that isn't the norm. There is so much that a library provides that you can't get online.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Way to go Mayor, Show these whiners who's in charge. It takes a lot of backbone to make these tough and unpopular decisions. They, and you'll know who (they) are, are going to hate you no matter what. And another thing, these people keep throwing this out that mayor Herenton appoints people that are not qualified, Who told them that they could judge a person's qualifications? Sounds more like sour grapes to me.
One other thing, How many of these posts were written at the (liberry)?
with the Internet, libraries will soon be as obsolete as an encyclopedia or typewriter.
PS. I've got a good set of World Book Encyclopedias. "Cheap"
Posted by denniskaren on March 19, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tjwillmsn is right, this is just a ploy by King Willie for more tax revenue. Who in their right mind would ever make a statement such as this without a hidden agenda. How about the hundreds of positions that King Willie has appointed with payrolls far exceeding the savings by shutting down a few libraries. Its time to get Willie out of office. Shakin off the stupidity!!!!!!!!!
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why in the world would this egotistical illiterate close down Poplar-White Station when it is one of the busiest branches in the city. Memphis is going down a black hole.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mandm8250 , I take exception to that statement
Posted by passive_observer on March 19, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tjwillmsn hit it right on the head. Remember the "we're going to build a new stadium" speech?
People went crazy about paying $200M for a new stadium.
Then, when it became "well, we'll just make $40M of improvements to the Liberty Bowl" - nobody blinked.
Change that new year's day speech to "we need to make $40M of improvements" and people freak out still.
Maybe it's bait and switch, maybe it's not. But presenting a nasty situation, letting people get outraged, and then presenting an alternative that was probably the goal in the first place is a common tactic by Willie Herenton.
Posted by voiceofreason on March 19, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
tj,
Can you point us toward your source of free, online literature? Thanks!
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am so ANGRY that I can not say anything. I'm at a loss for words. That says a lot.
Posted by POBOY56 on March 19, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe King Willie was told by God to close them.
Diversity? Willie wouldn't know the word. He is the biggest racist in Memphis. Period.
He's also an arrogant idiot. I'm not sure the man has opposable thumbs. You know King Willie.. He doesn't have to answer to anybody about his decisions. Yet, he gets offended because people don't under his choices. His choices? Cronies, cronies, cronies.... This bad example of affirmative action needs to hit the road.
Posted by JJ613 on March 19, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am very disappionted that the Commercial Appeal does not have this story on the front page of the paper. When crime is at an all time high in this city the last thing we need to do is close down alternative forms of entertainment for our kids. Even if only 10 children visit the libraries and community centers on a regular basis...that is 10 children who are not on the street.
Posted by awculv on March 19, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I suspect developers want the Poplar/White Station and downtown sites. And what developers want . . . .
Posted by Urbanut on March 19, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is how the cycle of decline begins, or should I say accelerates. The old “fall back and regroup” cascade of urban decline. Everyone may complain about rising taxes, but here we have the trade off- the slow erosion of services. These services represent on e of the few real positive benefits of living in any urban area. Residents of most rural areas face poor fire protection, a lack of cultural institutions and a general low level of potential economic and educational growth. However, when the services and attributes of urban life begin the breakdown, there remain fewer and fewer reasons to remain in the same urban setting.
Posted by ronaldray on March 19, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Mayor says he doesnt know how to make the crime situation better, but hes got making it worse down pat. Just a quick "Thank you" to all who voted for this bufoon.
Posted by tfollis on March 19, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So, the mayor who would like to unite the county under one government with himself at the head, lacks the ability to see beyond the color of a person's skin. Anybody to makes the statement that diversity is lacking within any organization is looking only on the surface, at a person's gender or race, and not deeper, at their experience and talent and ability.
The biggest racist statement of all time has to be "they all look the same."
Posted by book_woman on March 19, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As a book lover, this article truly breaks my heart. How could Herenton make such a decision? It is bad enough that the percentage of people reading in this country has declined in recent years; this decision is only another nail in the literacy coffin. Anyone out there want to do something about it? I know I do!
Posted by sharon.baldwin on March 19, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He didn't wait very long after he put his head flunky in the Drescher's position now did he? I could see the writing on the wall when that all came down.
When do you think the fine citizens who elected this albatross will wake up and realize he is taking down the entire city?
I used to love being a Memphian. What is it going to take to shake these people up and get that dictator out of office.
He has no more sense than a flea.
Posted by ShaniaPain on March 19, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton should be impeached for crimes against the citizens of Memphis. His absurd comment, “They had no respect for diversity”, which was his poor attempt to justify the reasoning for closing the libraries, no more supports any measure of truth than his other illogical reasons for many of the things he does, which are grossly malformed and usually nonviable. How can Herenton imply that the Highland Library, which is at the epicenter of the University of Memphis, "...has no respect for diversity"? Get rid of this freak.
Posted by ShaniaPain on March 19, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
By the way...the Highland Library is a cultural landmark.
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65, you can take exception all you want. We have a bunch of idiots running this city, and King Willie is the biggest idiot. He and his also illiterate flunkies have turned what once was a decent city into a crime-ridden nationally laughed at joke of a town. Whenever I see tourists I feel so sorry for them that they are touring such an ugly city where they are exposed to all sorts of crime. As soon as I can retire I'm out of this black hole.
Posted by ShaniaPain on March 19, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pps...Just because Herenton can't read doesn't mean that he should close the library.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a complete travesty. Has Herenton ever even entered the libraries on Highland or Poplar? They are both excellent smaller branches and normally very busy.
Maybe it's time for all the villagers to get their pitchforks and torches and march on the "king's" castle....
Posted by bighouse on March 19, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I for one am glad the city is going to be shutting down neglected, dilapidated, racially segmented institutions in the interests of saving us all money. Next perhaps they will stop pumping millions into LeMoyne Owen.
Posted by kbarton on March 19, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When I was under the age of 10, I lived in south Memphis, near the old Rosewood movie theater on Lauderdale. There was a Rexall with a nice soda fountain across the street and a Big Star next door. The real draw was the little library at the end of the buildings. I'd go in there in the summer time and spend hours reading books. It was nice and cool, we didn't have A/C at the house. And it was quiet, clean, and well-maintained. And a safe place for a child to go. I started reading before 1st grade, using the Commercial Appeal comics. But no doubt my hours in the library were a real benefit later in grade school between school years during the summer.
By the way, am I wrong, or was the library system once known as the "Memphis/Shelby" county library system? What happened to make it the "Memphis" library? If I am wrong about that, let me know.
Posted by ringer on March 19, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lack of diversity? 4 of the 5 managers at the branches that will be closed are black women. By the way, all 5 are excellent librarians, library managers, and people.
Perhaps by diversity he means they need more men? Men won't take that job - it's too difficult for the lack of decent pay received (It starts around $31k/year, most people will take their master's degree elsewhere for a better paying job with less stress and more physical security).
The only commonlity I see among library managers and employees is that they are competent. Perhaps that is what the mayor means by a lack of diversity - they do not have enough incompetent people on staff and in management ranks.
Posted by ringer on March 19, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
kbarton - In 2003 Shelby County withdrew funding support for MSCPLIC (Memphis/Shelby County Public Library & Info Center). This left the City as the main funding supporter of the Library - renaming it MPLIC (Memphis Pub Lib & Info Ctr). Slowly the municipalities began withdrawing from the system - first G'town, then C'ville, Millington, and Arlington - all going with a private company to run their library services. Bartlett decided to contract library services through MPLIC. There is no longer a Shelby County Public Library. The only library building in Shelby County is the East Shelby Branch off East Shelby Drive - the county supports this branch by contracting its library services through MPLIC, much like Bartlett does.
Posted by Kellimezzo on March 19, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tjwillmsn, some of us continue to go to the library for the old fashioned habit of actually checking out books to read. Last time I checked, my internet access at home did not provide that service for me. Closing the Highland and Pop-White branches is a real blow to East Memphis. I don't like the Central Library on Poplar and I don't want to be forced to go to East Shelby or Parkway Village. Where does that leave East Memphis residents?
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
book_woman - I'd love to do something to fight this decision. Any ideas?
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't have any brilliant ideas at the moment, but if anyone else does, I'm in.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have an idea- recall the dumba$$ mayor. That would be a start.
Posted by nativememphian on March 19, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65, You must want a job with King Willie's entourage. Maybe he could make you the manager of the Popeye's or Churches Chicken franchise that will certainly take the place of these libraries.
I am no longer proud to call Memphis my hometown. I am happy to call the vibrant,truly diverse city of Atlanta my home. Oh by the way, we have an African American women Mayor. She could kick King Willie's sorry behind all the way to the unemployment line. She represents our city with class and style and makes decisions that benefit ALL of our citizens. Willie is a thug in an Armani suit.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok, according to the Eyewitness News story on their website regarding this, (http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/...)
what he's done is submit a budget that cuts funding for the libraries and community centers, BUT it's actually up to the City Council to accept or reject the idea.
"Mayor Herenton says money for the five libraries and four community centers has already been cut from his proposed budget. But when he presents that budget to city council next month, council members could vote to put the money back in, and keep the libraries and community centers open."
I think those of us who are upset over this need to make a strong and unified effort over the next month to make sure our city council representatives know where we stand. I'd be in favor of taking some other action as well, but I think this is a necessary part of any plan to fight this idiotic and short-sighted idea.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think a good faith gesture would be for his Highness to take a pay cut.
Posted by kattgirrl on March 19, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I will repeat some of the comments I made earlier, which have been deleted for some reason. The mayor probably has justification in closing SOME library branches. My point is only that he should close the ones that are LEAST USED. The decision should be backed by statistics, and should not be arbitrary or political. What is Herenton's reasoning in choosing these particular library branches and community centers? Being "embarrassed" by their condition is not justification, nor is a lack of diversity. Some branches have been in line for years to get capital improvement money for renovation, and Herenton and the city council have chosen not to spend money on the libraries. Diversity--as someone else stated, 4 of the 5 managers of the libraries to be closed are black. Whatever the real reason, the communities affected by this decision should bombard the mayor and news media with protests.
Posted by uofmtigers on March 19, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He'd get about as much in savings if he just got rid of all his special appointees that the council doesn't have any control over. Let's face it Memphians - and I am one - the only way this idiot will ever get out of office in this city of irresponisble voters is to be carried out in a wooden box - but, look on the bright side - in our city, where crime runs rampant, if he lives here long enough - he'll be a statistic. Oh, but wait, he doesn't live in an impoverished part of the city - does he? No, he lives in a gated community where the crime is locked outside. So, it's ok to close libraries and community centers where the youth could escape for a few hours. With any luck, those kids won't take those few hours for gang activity. If they do, I suggest vandalizing the very gated community that the mayor calls home. When are black voters in this city going to realize that the only thing this mayor ever does is to come out and ask for his constituants vote during election year. What, exactly, has he done for blacks in the city of Memphis if you aren't one of his appointees? Can anyone come up with a list of good deeds this man has done? I certainly can't. Where was he when a tornado tore through Hickory Hill? Where was he when there were 6 people slain on Lester street? Looks like he was devising a plan to save the city by closing libraries and community centers. Brilliant move wee willie winkie!
Posted by lewc0809 on March 19, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You would think as a mayor that your first priority will be to the city, not what he wants as if no one else counts. Does he ever consider how his actions affect the communities around him. Does he think before he opens his big mouth and act on his stupid decisions. Closing libraries and community centers will increase the crime in the city because young people will no longer have those options available to them. As a mom, I am glad my child can go to the library after school. I just do not understand why he is still in office. I really don't.
Posted by curlyqlink on March 19, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess by "diversity" Willie means we need to appoint more people like his thug bodyguards to run the library instead of people who actually went to school to study library science. Imagine the furor that would erupt if a white politician made a statement like "they all look alike." I do research at the library, and believe me, there is plenty of information there that cannot be found online. Willie just wants to keep the population as ignorant as possible to insure that his constituency remains intact. Another despicable act by a despicable person.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
mandm8250, You're about to p... me off with your black hole remark, are you a bigot? just asking.
Posted by zappa on March 19, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
for anyone looking for a way to respond - note that the Detroit City Council has just called for its mayor to resign, for a record similar-to-but-even-less-than Herenton's (except that Kilpatrick's does include perjury). Anyone unhappy with this decision should urge his or her councilperson to move for and vote for a call for Herenton's resignation
Posted by jimasdoia on March 19, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Libraries are an important community asset. Easy access to a library in every neighborhod is necessary to maintain a well educated citizenry and workforce. While financial considerations may require an close examination of under utilized taxpayer-funded facilities, in the case of libraries, one should find ways to promote their use rather than to shut them down. Access to books and a quiet place in which to enjoy them is absolutely necessary to allow people to acquire knowledge to improve themselves and break the cycle of poverty that grips too many areas of this City.
Posted by John_Jones on March 19, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm a Memphian now living out of town. I spent plenty of summers during what would have been an otherwise wasted youth in the Memphis and Shelby County libraries.
By the time I was 11, I had read the Iliad, the Aeneid, and The Odyssey thanks to the libraries.
This is sad.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel- I didn't think he meant black person hole. He meant black hole like in space.
Sheesh. Why are you so sensitive?
Perhaps you need to go to the library before they all close and figure out what a black hole is.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Never mind- I'll save you the trouble.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger, Sorry and my apologies to mandm8250 but when you've been black as long as I have, you have to watch your back.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel- so you got mad about something someone said and you didn't even know what it was???
Does that make sense?
So, and I ask this question sincerely, do you automatically get angry if anyone uses the word black related to anything and automatically assume it is racial?
Posted by wtilmon on March 19, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
molliemole and others--The King wants and expects an outcry. Read the rationale--to offset a property tax increase. This is Herenton 101, and he wrote the playbook. If you want to pass a huge tax increase, then first propose some drastic measures that will have the public practically begging for a tax increase instead. Two or three years ago, it was the parks. Most of the workers were laid off for the summer, and the grass was never mowed, and conditions deteriorated. Then when the public quieted down about taxes, an increase was passed and the mowers cranked up again. Of course, if he wants to base his decisions entirely on savings (without considering the benefit provided or the effect of his actions), then there are other ways to save money. Quit picking up garbage. Close the schools. Let the police and firefighters go. Gosh, turn off the traffic lights. Maybe we could sell the trees on city property to a lumber company. Has he really tapped into all the available measures?
Posted by mamacow1 on March 19, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If the Memphis City Council would stop giving King Willie an underserved pay raise each year, then there would probably be enough money in the budget to keep libraries and community centers open.
Posted by mandm8250 on March 19, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
I used black hole as a figure of speech. It relates to anything King Willie and his cohorts have done to drain everything good that used to be Memphis into a black hole.
I go to many libraries on a regular basis. I work downtown so I reserve library books online to pick up at Highland and at the Main Library - also at Poplar-White Station when I'm headed in that direction. I also frequent the Bartlett library. I don't think that Highland would be considered a branch mainly frequented by blacks, and Poplar-White Station is not either.
I can understand why under-utilized branches might be considered for closing, but since I don't know anything about the other three branches I can't speak to their condition or who frequents them.
I am not a native Memphian -- only been here 20 years. But in that 20 years I have seen a major degradation of all that was good in this town. If I could have foreseen what Memphis would turn into I would never have moved here, and I can't wait to leave. But in the meantime I would like to fight for the few things left that are meaningful, and literacy is one of them.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, Chantigger, McDaniel65 admitted he took it wrong and apologized; let's move on....
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You're right. I will apologize. Sorry. I was just curious- really.
Moving on...
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger, Got that right, Like they say in the military, If ever in doubt (salute) Hafta keep an eye on these key board bigots. Know what I mean?
Posted by DataGeek on March 19, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My congratulations to Chantigger and McDaniel65; these two illustrate that much of the race based conflict in Memphis is rooted in miscommunication. I only wish the rest of the community could be as reasonable as each of you have been here.
We have a problem here that cuts across the bounds of race and class. We can find ways to fight about it but we would all benefit if the entire community used it as a point to rally around the needs of our children and everyone else.
Perhaps the next step is to use this discussion to create the public outcry at the next city council meeting. Do we have a community organizer in the room?
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Keyboard bigots. Ha, that's cute.
Now, back to business at hand.
Wtilmon- valid points. Herenton 101. Classic ploys. It worked VERY well with the parks cuts a few years ago. I work for that system- my job was threatened.
What we NEED to do is RECALL the mayor. Call for his resignation- though he won't do it. He's too arrogant.
What I wonder is- how many times are the citizens of Memphis going to keep bending over...
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Data- the root of almost all conflict is miscommunication. Until we can talk to each other honestly and rationally and work THROUGH the reasons for anger, etc. this will occur.
But in today's society of "oh, don't hurt anyone's feelings" that is almost impossible.
I was taught that there are no dumb questions. It is also necessary to listen to the answer, and make sure you understood what the person was saying. This requires communication!
Posted by tigerbee on March 19, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow----Mr Mayor can only observe that the "libraries look rundown and all in management look the same".
I guess this is what's called JUDGING A BOOK BY IT'S COVER.
To bad this addled, corrupt, self serving egomaniac has struck again.
Judge people by their appearance--not for what they can do. Close libraries because of their appearance--not for what they contain and can do.
I wonder who Mr. Mayor paid $600,000 to, to come up with this plan. And I'd like to see the section of this $600,000 report that said fire people who can do the job because they look to much alike.
Posted by harbortwngal28 on March 19, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65...just curious...where do you see bigoted comments ("keyboard bigots")? i just see discussion among memphians about their outrage at Herenton's most recent and terribly idiotic "plan" for this city. it matters not what color Herenton is (although he seems to make skin color the issue du jour), he is completely incompetent and should be regarded as such.
Posted by thefuture on March 19, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It only takes a couple of concerned citizens and some legal guidance to work towards an impeachment of elected officials. Lets ban together and remove our city's biggest problem and start from scratch. I would hope the Govenor has some type of power to remove poorly operating officials for office?
Posted by tigerbee on March 19, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I see Mr. Mayor out before ballgames all the time having cocktails with his posse.
He must not respect diversity because they always all look the same.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Seems to me that someone DID try to recall the mayor a few years ago, and did not succeed for lack of signatures. Where was everyone then?
If they can't be bothered to simply sign their name on a piece of paper, is it any surprise that they can't be bothered to do anything now?
And WHY WHY WHY did he win the last election? Who exactly keeps voting for this fool?
Posted by wtilmon on March 19, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger--
Q: Who exactly keeps voting for this fool?
A: Fools.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wtilmon- lol... I asked for that, didn't I?
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton said he was "embarrassed" by the condition of some library branches.
I am embrrassed by HIM! Instead of shutting them down, he should improve them; just as he wants to 'improve' every other building in the dowtown area. But oh, the libraries aren't 'money makers' for him and his cronies,so why not just shut them down, right?
Shutting down the libraries and community centers does nothing but push the youth further and deeper into the streets. But I think that's what he wants: city of thugs and criminals, led by thugs and criminals like himself.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Found a link to the efficiency study cited:
http://www.cityofmemphis.org/pdf_form...
The section on libraries starts on p. 181; following the section discussing community centers (p. 176). While the study does in fact suggest closure of these 5 branches due to the proximity of the branches to others and smaller physical size, I think it's important to note that this was a secondary recommendation to the main goal advised of "moving toward a library system operating model that would provide for regional branches in accessible and highly visible locations." The study suggests that these 5 branches would be suitable to consider for closure as part of a plan for IMPROVEMENT of accessibility of library services to neighborhoods, not just "shut 'em down to save money." The study suggests that resources saved by closure could be "utilized for new capital investments associated with the construction or expansion of regional branch library facilities in the City." Aaaand, I don't think that's what the current proposal is contemplating.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
harbortwngal28 , If you can't see all of the bigoted comments , posted here, you are in need of some serious help, It's not the (liberrys) it's just to disagree with the mayor. If you want to disagree, disagree with, Bush @& Cheny where we're spending 12 billions per month and lost over 4000 lives for nothing. All off these posters probably haven't lost anyone in this useless war or know anyone who have, use your energies on something worthwhile, To hate the mayor will only get you upset, the outcome will still be the same
Posted by bford on March 19, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When do the book burnings begin? I liked it better when the Mayor was invisible. Tornado in Hickory Hill, Lester Street murders, Crime summit and anything else a normal concerned mayor would show up. The tax increase he is setting up is going to knock your socks off.
Posted by memphisrb on March 19, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"shake off the haters" willyboy and shut them all down now. The entire city is on the brink of bankruptcy and it will only get worse in the coming years as property taxes streak north the only tax payers left will be those that cannot excape and cannot pay.
Posted by book_woman on March 19, 2008 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mandm8250 - No ideas yet. What about you? As long as there are people who want to fight this decision, I am all ears.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
MemphisChick , You ever thought of a job as a stand -up comic?
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If Willie keeps doing his part by his apathy towards and neglect/removal of anything that can positively impact educational opportunities, he achieves the following:
1. Dumb citizens who will keep him and his cronies in office to feed off the poverty and despair of his citizens.
2. Will get to be mayor of a city of nothing BUT poor people and thugs. It's not there yet, but at this rate it will be.
3. Will no longer have a tax base from which to draw- as all that will be left are people who USE tax dollars for welfare (or whatever they call it now- government assistance?), etc. The people who actually WORK and PAY the taxes will be gone- either killed or moved away.
Education is integral to the future of our country. Who is going to take care of things when WE all get old? Many in this city will be incapable of holding jobs like doctors, nurses, computer programmers, etc. because they 1. can't feel safe enough in school to study (if they go at all) and 2. can't supplement their education at readily accessible libraries.
But hey, what do I know?
Posted by ringer on March 19, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The $600,000 paid to a consulting firm would have made a complete (and wonderful) rennovation of one of those "shabby" libraries. It could make decent rennovations for 2-3 of the branches. It could have made acceptable cosmetic rennovations to all 5 of the branches facing closure.
$600,000 could also have nearly doubled the materials budget for the library system as a whole.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel- seriously? You don't think MemphisChick is right?
If we keep taking away the few good places left for the youth to go, what is their alternative? Your house, my house? Except they won't be there for a social call... well, not one that we invited them to.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ringer, I can't believe I'm defending the city government on this, but the $600,000 study covered a lot more than just the libraries; the majority of it seems to be how we could increase efficiency in the police and fire departments. I put a link to it a few posts up, if anyone wants to read it. Some of it's common-sense, but overall I don't think it's a bad idea to have some outside input on how we could improve city operations. As I pointed out above, what they are doing here is a half-a$$ed implementation of what was only a minor part of the recommendation on libraries.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just to add; I don't agree with the report's conclusion that a library branch within a few miles of another library is a bad or inefficient thing. But overall, the suggested idea of improving or replacing branches is very different from just closing them.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Act- so he got the study done to use as "justification" to shut the libraries/centers. He's cherry picking the stuff he wanted to do anyway, and figures people won't notice that he only did part of what was suggested.
Do I have that right?
Posted by proudhowardgrad on March 19, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's time for the entire city to come to together and go to the council meeting and voice our concerns. It may be a bait and switch job, but I for one am tired of people complaining and not doing...including myself...it's time to take a real stand for something that effects us all...I think John Grisham said everytime his family moved one of the first things they did was find a church, enroll in school, and get a library card...
Posted by pbe on March 19, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have been a strong supporter of Mayor Herenton...however, I must succumb to the realization you have lost perspective. Also what's with that comment: "they all look alike" Pleassse...what an immature statement to make. Libraries are the center of knowledge for the entire community to gather for multiple purposes. Many people have perference to the utilization of the library as appose to the internet for information.
Lately, many of your decision has force me to question and wonder if some of the things people have said are possibly valid. Is this indeed the real you? Do you really want to add more to a tarnish legacy. Leave the libraries open and allow the public the access to frequent an establishment that we greatly appreciate in this city...as well as one we received national attention. Come on...
Posted by harbortwngal28 on March 19, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel--
webster's defines the word bigoted as "utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own". Again, I don't see a reflection of that on this board. I see a lot of angry people upset about what is happening in THEIR city and they are discussing it in a civil manner. If you want to get technical Mcdaniel, then according to the above definition, Willie Herenton's picture should be next to the word "bigoted" in the dictionary. If you want to stir up the racial pot, go somewhere else...this board is not the forum for your ridiculous racial rants...
Posted by dahrius1 on March 19, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We need to find someone who's family is either dead or nonexistant to lead the charge and create a save memphis blog. The reason why I propose someone like that is because people who aren't in fear of harm to their loved ones (remember Mud Island employee?) can take on the mayor and all of the thugs he has on his/our payroll. We need a leader in this community who is intellectual enough to think for themselves and not follow something that they heard. The last impeachment attempt was led by Thaddeus Matthews. That should tell you why it failed. Most people had never even heard of the impeachment. They would have signed.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
chantigger, I can't speculate on the overall motivation behind the fairly large study, BUT I am willing to speculate that he's assuming none of us will actually READ it. I haven't read it cover to cover yet, but I think you're correct in that he's cherry-picking stuff that doesn't matter to him anyway and using selected parts of the report as justification, without implementing the overall recommendations.
I'm noticing that there's some good recommendations in there that haven't been enacted, like coming up with some type of unified city-wide plan for running the Community Centers, or having them all open at 2 pm on weekdays instead of earlier in the day when the kids are in school and nobody's using them. I doubt if the city's "assessed and redesigned its purchasing system" either.
I don't have a problem with the city having an outside firm (it's Deloitte, out of Houston, so probably not a cronyism issue there) look over how we could be doing things better, but I do have a problem with the city taking stuff out of it piecemeal that needs to be addressed as part of a larger improvement plan.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe someone should write the First Lady (a librarian) and alert her as to what is going on with our nationally recognized library.
Hmmm...
Posted by nativememphian on March 19, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel65 . Real suave with your "redneck" reference, (liberrys). In fact, I think it is actually spelled,"liberries". You must have gone to one of the Memphis Public schools. Oh yeah, Willie was the superintendant at one time, in between the birthing of his illegitimate children. I am a proud hater of King Willie and I'm not afraid to admit it. The city of Memphis has turned into one giant ghetto and King Willie has been crowned King, over and over again, of a crime ridden, sink hole.
Posted by SeasonsGreetings on March 19, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I saw Wharton at Barnes and Noble last week. He was probably devising a plan to shut it down too. Pretty soon, the CA is going to be the only thing around to read.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Herenton does not care.
Posted by FMRMEMPHIAN on March 19, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Does anyone remember the thousands of dollars spent on the elaborate copy machines that the Board of Education ordered with the signature of a DEAD MAN authorizing it? They were never used and I beleive they came with a premium of a TV that was never located. No way we can afford these libraries and civic centers. I know, let's put the books in the crack houses.
Posted by jenjencampbell on March 19, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A couple of my most treasured childhood memories growing up in Memphis was of my father taking me once a week to the library, and summers spent at the local community center, (this was back in the 70's). I don't know where I would be today if these public services had not been available to me. What happens to a city where are our most valuable resource, our children, is no longer a priority? I guess we will find out. I too, am heartbroken.
Posted by Mr_Kite on March 19, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BLAH, BLAH BLAH... Where were all you folks when we had the election? (Hmmm?) We had a chance to oust this BOZO and what happened? (Stupid liberals voted for the other black guy because a white woman could not win?) How many people turned out to vote? (35% maybe?) Why aren't you picketing city hall? We all get what we all get because we all aren't good citizens, and the worst citizen WINS, congratulations Mayor!
Posted by dstep1389 on March 19, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am a frequent patron at the poplar white station library...about 3 times a week. while there, i have seen people of all ages and ethnic groups.
people using the computers have ranged from 80 years old to students doing homework. (they obviously don't have computers at home) This branch is very important to the community. It just breaks my heart that it is closing..that herenton has chosen to hurt this city even more than it already has been hurt.
is there anything we can do to change this horrible decision?
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What would make you think the commenters on here didn't bother to vote, Mr_Kite? I'm just curious. (Hey,I always vote, even when I'm not thrilled with any of my options.) Oh, and picketing city hall as a lone random person sounds like a great activity...if you're a member of the tinfoil hat brigade.
I think there's more productive ways of dealing with this issue. For example -- if everyone who is interested in this puts as much energy into letting your council members know your opinion as you do letting other CA readers know your opinion -- that might go a long way. This will only take effect IF they approve it -- make sure they know your opinion.
Posted by chantigger on March 19, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I vote.
I also write my representatives/senators/governor on a regular basis about important stuff.
Can't hurt.
But one voice will do no good, as pointed out. It will take many.
Does anyone remember being taught about the one stick versus many sticks? One stick can be broken, no problem. A bundle of sticks can't. It's too strong.
Let's bundle together, people. I've already sent my emails and made my calls today.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr Kite said: Where were all you folks when we had the election? (Hmmm?) We had a chance to oust this BOZO and what happened? (Stupid liberals voted for the other black guy because a white woman could not win?) How many people turned out to vote?
Um, I'm a liberal, but I'm not stupid, and I did vote. I was part of the lousy % that did get out that day and dutifully stood in line and I voted for the white woman.
I'm just sorry she didn't win.
Posted by easygoer00 on March 19, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I was a kid in this city, and I had an important piece of work needed to be done for class...I had to go to the main library. That was nearly 30 years ago.
I disagree that these other libraries are efficient and effective. The library shouldn't be a place just to baby sit your kid while he trolls on the internet. I've been to two of these that are set for closure, and I'm unimpressed.
I think we had a better library at my high school than we have currently at Highland.
I'm not sure it's such a bad idea. Having said that, the mayor is a reckless cowboy with a big mouth. The comment about them all looking alike is designed to be a wedge to inspire blk memphians. And it will on a certain level.
Posted by thefuture on March 19, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've got a novel idea. How bout we continue all of this in the next 4 City Council meetings: April 1 & 15
May 6 & 20
125 N. Main St
3:30
Let's all put our mouths where our fingers are, let's make a difference vs. talking about making a difference, I'll be there will you?
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
harbortwngal28, If you can't see bigoted comments in most of these post, check the Sunday papers for coupons to Eye Masters or LensCrafters, They have really good deals on eyewear
Posted by shakespearetobe on March 19, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Has Herenton taken a look at his appointees lately?
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm planning on trying to make it to the city council meetings myself, although I think the vote on the budget is at one of the April ones, so probably not much point in May. At least for this issue.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TeHE, Helen you're funny, But there is a lot of comedians out of work, I would try another line of work. Just my humble opinion
Posted by Not_Chicken_Little on March 19, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you, King Willie, for your never-ending efforts to improve our peon lives here in Memphis.
We don't need no stinkin' libraries! Reading is for dummies. Build us more stadiums so we can adore more sports figures! Give more tax breaks to sports teams, and raise our property taxes! Bread and circuses, that's the ticket!
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
just_telling_the_truth , Thank you, My sentiments exactly. They're just Bit...ng because it's mayor Herenton. They'll get over it, if not, like you said, just move on.
Posted by pbe on March 19, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
easygoer said: "The comment about them all looking alike is designed to be a wedge to inspire blk memphians. And it will on a certain level.
I have been scratching my head and brain trying to understand what Mayor Herenton meant by that comment and you could be on to something. As I said earlier, I have been a strong supporter of him but some recent decisions and statements has compelled me to become more objective in my thought process. In all honesty, to move away from my subjective viewpoint and look at the overall picture.
Although difficult and admittingly painful to say, the realization that this city is regressing and racism has escalated compells me to accept the fact we need a change in this city. Looking back at some of the mayor's unstately comments and rethinking the outburst they generated (by upset citizens of this city) challenged me to see I can no longer remain under the pretense that things are ok.
I am totally frustrated with black and white negativity on various issues that has echoed on this board on some occasions. It accomplished nothing but continued hatred and bigotry in this city. We can be a great striving economically prosperous community if we elect someone who will represents the entire city. A person who is sensitive to the entire community. Memphis needs a change. We need a Obama type.. black or white... who will refute racism and is all inconclusive to both communities.
Posted by denniskaren on March 19, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mrs Smith I was not able to do my report on American Theocracy because our local library has been closed. No-- I didnt pass the competency exam, what do you mean I wont graduate. Well i n that case I'll just drop out and rob the local gas station.
Posted by harbortwngal28 on March 19, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcdaniel: perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with a dictionary...it will help you with your spelling and definitions. You might go to the library and look for one ASAP before Herenton shuts them down!!
I am not going to further this conversation with you, as you appear to be semi-illiterate and very immature. This is a discussion board, not an insult board. Know the difference.
Posted by curlyqlink on March 19, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, just_telling_the _truth, I suppose we should all just fall in line and accept whatever King Baby Daddy tells us, just like they did in Nazi Germany. Obedient little sheep like you are a big part of the reason we're faced with the mess we have.
Posted by actinolite2 on March 19, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually, McDaniel65, I'm bit...ng because I like libraries and think that they can be an important part of a community, something I guess we can agree to disagree on. (Look at it this way -- my position is less about being negative about the mayor, and more about me being positive that the community served by the facilities proposed for closure is deriving some benefit from keeping them open.) But I can only speak for myself.
Posted by ewoksgirl on March 19, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OK so i knew that getting again into the office was no good.He has nevry done anygood.But we can get him out of office.If he REALY wanted to safe money. Then he needs to fire all the bobyguards yes he has about 10? And all the other people that he just made up news jobs for.
And best of all is take a pay cut. He dont need all the money. OH yes he dose for all the girls he's sleeping with.All he wants is a thug city. and thats what is going to happen.And i getting out of Memphis. I will not stay in a city that is run by a jack A** of a mayor that only wants no good for his people.OH wait again thugs are his people and for all the thugs are going to b****.I AM A PROUD BLACK WOMAN.And i know that he doesn't care.
Posted by stevejoe on March 19, 2008 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
just telling and Mcd69
You are not too old to learn how to read, so please, don't be afraid of books. When your kind finish your ignorant craft, the city of Memphis will be filled with just cockroaches - and you. Willie's a low-life. He can't help but tear down all things good. And his low-life supporters keep on walking in the dung he lives behind, lapping it up like ice-cream, and begging for more. How can we battle the ignorance he has farmed so well for so long? The absurd clowns gassing off in this discussion are proof Willie knows what grows well in Memphis - stupidity.
Posted by mcdaniel65 on March 19, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
denniskaren, I was just trying to come down to your level. I've got mine, I'm retired and could care less what you whine about. I'm not illiterate, I thought you were, Sorry, If you want to match wits with me, you should know on the front end, I never fight with an unarmed person.
Posted by stevejoe on March 19, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One last note -
Our main library bears the name Of Dr. Benjamin Hooks, and it is an honor to the LIBRARY that it is so endowed. Dr. Hooks is, in my opinion, the greatest gift Memphis has made to the world. He ranks up there with our country's noblest men. But, I would appeal to Mr. Hooks to please step in and encourage our community's leaders to prize our library system for the asset it is. Help our mayor make us stronger, not weaker. I am embarassed for Dr. Hooks that his good name is connected to an institution that Herenton is turning into public ridicule. There can be no doubt in any sane mind that the mayor's actions have not been for the good of the library or the community. Our children deserve better. Benjamin L. Hooks deserves better. Memphis deserves better.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Whatever. After all is said and done, Herenton STILL does not care about us, this city or the future output from this city.
As much as I treasure my home PC and can access pretty much anything I want from anywhere in the world at anytime, I still adore and enjoy my visits to the library! I love to walk the long rows of books and just randomly pull one out and read about something I don't know. And I have the opportunity to take them home with me for about 3 weeks! Even before I replaced my home PC, the library was the one place I could go to get online; complete job and grant research; and get rich information on the city of Memphis. While in elementary, junior high, high school and both 'tours' of college, I still flocked to the library! I can't tell you how many essays, projects, etc the library helped me to complete, from its mass of available information to its friendly, informative and helpful staff. When I moved away from Memphis in 2000, one of my firsts 'visits' back home as a sight to see was the new library on Poplar. It's a beautiful thang! If Herenton takes that away or any other library/community center, he can be rest assured that he will have raped our youth (with no vaseline!) of education, experience, knowledge, and a safe haven other than the streets.
Yes, I get tired of the kids hanging all over the place too like it's a jungle gym, but I smile to myself when I think about how I'd rather see them at the library hanging out than hanging on the corner somewhere slangin' rocks and fighting, with aspirations of being our future mayor.
Posted by ripped on March 19, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please write to all of the members of the Memphis City Council to try to convince them to stop Herenton's madness: http://www.cityofmemphis.org/framework.
Posted by MemphisChick on March 19, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ewok, please. You're embarrassing me as a woman.
Posted by ten_a_c_girl on March 19, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I started sending letters to the city council earlier today. I encourage all concerned citizens to do so. This is a tragedy. Memphis' illiteracy rate is 35% and we can't afford to close any library. Young people have to be encouraged to read and this is sending the wrong message to our young children.
Note: Ewok is obviously a joke posting that I don't find amusing.
Posted by ewoksgirl on March 19, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kiss you know what
Posted by tigerteacher on March 19, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's it, Willie. Shutting down libraries is just the way to improve our crime-ridden city. Why stop at five? And, really, why stop at libraries? How about shutting down some more schools? Pick ones right in the heart of Memphis. White Station High School, perhaps? It would certainly save a buck or two.
Every time I think things can't get any worse in our city, we sink even further into animalistic decay. And look who's at the helm....
Posted by thunderbob on March 20, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I must have slept through the mayor's first 4 terms. What improvements to the Memphis community can the mayor claim for his own? I used to own a home in an annexed area of Cordova. Between April 2002 and August 2006, I saw NO civic improvements in my subdivision or anywhere near it, other than street lights on the northern portion of Houston Levee. Just what was my tax dollar going toward?? It appears that it was to raise the payscale of his cronies.
Frankly, I'm glad I'm no longer in the city, and I can see why so many people of all races are moving out. If the suburbs have anything to say about it, there will never be a city/county consolidation. Why? Because if the city government is in power, they will do nothing to improve the infrastructure or community needs. They haven't done it within the city limits since King Willie got into power, why would they start now.
Wake up Memphis. Your city government is chasing away most of the brainpower and tax base due to crime and government greed. Make a change that will do the city good.
Posted by deedee11 on March 20, 2008 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No I am not a Herenton lover but I know for a fact these libraries are not being used by the majority. Yes there are a lot of kids in there but they are not checking out books. Yes a lot of people come in to use the computers but there are only a few computers anyway. The Main library is only a mile or so from the libraries that may be closing. I did a survey last year. I surveyed every Memphis City school.(true story) 91% of the students do not have library cards. 50% of the few who had cards had not been to the library at all in the past school year. My mom works at one of the libraries and she said the kids are just hanging out talking on their phones. Of course this is not all kids so please don't throw that at me. I challege you to go to one or two of these libraries on this closing list and just observe.If we can just take our personal feelings out of this we will see that this was bound to happen. I don't know if you remember a kid got his shoes taken outside of the library after school. He said he was just at the library waiting on his mom or grandmom to get off of work. In a lot of cases these libraries are baby sitters. This is sad but in a lot of cases true.
Posted by ten_a_c_girl on March 20, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I spoke with Councilman Lowry this morning regarding the closures. According to him the council should vote on this measure in June. Actnolite2 you are a godsend. The $600,000 waste of trees is available online (see actnolite2 post) regarding the proposed library and community center closures. Lowry also stated that he doesn't know how he'll vote and that he's only received five emails concerning the library and community ctr closures.
According to him, Mayor Herenton left Tuesday's mtg proclaiming that the closures were a done deal. However, we need seven city council members to vote against him. We might be able to save some if not all of our community resources. Please email or call your council person.
"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest"- Elie Wiesel
Posted by Allie on March 20, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Now that he's leaving, can we save the libraries from him?
Mr. Herenton makes me sick. The library has always been the one place any child can go, regardless of color or income or neighborhood, to learn and rise in the world. Without a neighborhood library, we would not have Maya Angelou. There are so many great writers, scientists, and successful people who came from poor backgrounds and first learned about a larger world in a neighborhood library.
If the libraries are not safe for children, they need MORE funding, not less. The more education children receive, the less likely they are to go to jail as adults. Study after study has shown that the SINGLE MOST POWERFUL FACTOR influencing whether or not a child will grow up to commit crimes and go to jail is education. Policemen can't stop crime, they can only punish criminals after the crime is already over. To reduce Memphis's crime, fund the schools and the libraries.
Posted by juicyj999 on March 21, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't like what's happened in the libraries nowadays. And this is on a much larger scale than Memphis.
I go inside, and what do I see behold? A long row of 40 computers- and they're all used. Not a single person in the stacks reading books.
This is especially disconcerting when it happens in the hood, where we need more book reading. Instead, I see little kids playing video games and flirting with cuties on myspace and Facebook.
When I was small, we read, and computers were only a reference tool. Even I, when I take my laptop to places to work, can be distracted if the place has decent, free wireless.
There must be some way we can limit this use. Stricter computer control, blocking sites, something.
While computers enhance learning, at times, it can be our greatest hindrance.
Posted by memphonative on March 21, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe the King will have plenty of time to read about his stupidity when he is in the federal prison. Maybe one of his cronies can be in charge of the prison book cart instead of the library.
Posted by POBOY56 on March 21, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe they are just adjusting the number of libraries down to a percentage based upon how many Memphians can actually read....
Posted by juicyj999 on March 22, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
>>Maybe they are just adjusting the number of libraries down to a percentage based upon how many Memphians can actually read....
In that case, wouldn't we need more libraries and programs?
LOL...Gotcha! I can be a stereotypist's worst nightmare!!!
Posted by Madladchilly1 on March 22, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dang, it's getting hard to find a place to sleep... maybe I should start re-attending church.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/mar/19/city-to-shut-down-five-libraries/
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